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#1 HappyChristian

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:06 PM

-This article was in the Washington Times online. There were some questionable ads, so I just posted the article and am giving credit to the source-


 

For the first time in Vatican history, the pope allowed for the reading of Islamic prayers and Korean readings from the Catholic facility.

The readings and prayer came as Pope Francis met with Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Vatican City, a gathering designed to pray for Middle Eastern peace.

 

A Holy See spokesman said the prayers were supposed to be a “pause in politics,” Breitbart reported. The pope said, too, that he hoped the interfaith prayers would foster peace specifically between Israelis and Palestinians, the news outlet said.

 


 

Jewish prayers were also incorporated.  Francis has decided to be a peacemaker in the Middle East.  I think we all know how that's going to turn out...

 

 



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:15 PM

Speaking of pope Francis, what do you make of this?



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:34 PM

Some of the words aren't correct (I mean what they posted on the video).

 

This is the cant:

 

 Flammas [not Mammas] eius lucifer Matutinus inveniat [not with a b - although it can sound like it] ille, Inquam, lucifer, qui nexcit occasum

Christ Filius tuus qui, regression ab inferis, humano generi Serenus illuxit, et et vivit regnat in Saedula saeculorum.

 

Luciferians have taken it and made it say that it is to Satan, or Lucifer, but the actual (original) translation is this:

 

May the Morning Star which never sets find this flame still burning: Christ, that Morning Star, who came back from the dead, and shed his peaceful light on all mankind, your Son, who lives and reigns for ever and ever.

 

Lucifer is morning star in Latin.

 

I have to say that I don't think the pope is declaring himself anti-christ, since he's still the vicar of Christ (supposedly) on earth.

 

It's still not something I would want to sing (it's not original with Francis, either, BTW).  I can see it coming to mean Lucifer as we know him in scripture...



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:49 PM

Thanks.  Linda and I were questioning it, mainly because we thought the voice was a "dub-over" what had actually been said.  Sounds more like a woman's voice to us also.

And, it would make no sense for Francis to say what was claimed to have been said.  Especially in light of what is traditionally taught in the Catholic church concerning God and, Lucifer and Jesus Christ. 



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 03:59 PM

Vicar of Christ means the same as antichrist.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 04:03 PM

Actually it doesn't.  The term vicar simply means representative. It comes from the Latin vicarius and means the same as vice, as in assistant or deputy.  

 

I've heard the woman who did the speaking before. I don't know her name, but her voice is distinct. She does a lot of these type things. There is very definitely a movement to equate Lucifer with Christ (the Mormon church is built on that!), but the RCC has never done that - yet. I do believe the day is coming, though.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 05:52 PM

I believe vicar in reference to the pope, actually means he is In Place of Christ, which sounds like he is in a much higher position than an assistant or a deputy.  Since he is in place of Christ on this earth he makes all the final decisions as to the church on this earth.  I could be wrong.  If I am please correct me.

 

God bless,

Larry


Edited by ThePilgrim, 17 June 2014 - 06:03 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2014 - 05:59 PM

Speaking of pope Francis, what do you make of this?

 
Yeah, this is a hoax.  A Facebook friend had it posted on her wall, while ago.  She swears by this woman who did the the video.  It is not accurate, at all.  HC gave a great explanation as to why.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 06:14 PM

The Vatican has always made (up) history......
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Posted 17 June 2014 - 06:37 PM

The Vatican has always made (up) history......
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many Protestant and Baptist are guilty of inventing history too.

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Posted 17 June 2014 - 09:27 PM

I sent it to my Pastor. It sounded like a dub-over to me too.



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 10:19 PM

The Catholic church is already in error.  The woman didn't need to make up lies to make them look worse.  LOL



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Posted 17 June 2014 - 11:25 PM

I wonder if Jack Van Impe will use this video Saturday. I've just started listening to him so I don't know what to think. 

 

So the Pope is for Chrislam? 



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 07:26 AM

The Catholic church is already in error.  The woman didn't need to make up lies to make them look worse.  LOL

 

In all seriousness SFIC, I thought the same thing when I saw this.  This woman made things worse by putting out this video about the Vatican.  Many people, except the Roman Catholics (and even some of them are coming to know that the Vatican lies) understand how the RCC operates.  This woman with her phony video, did the case for "true" Christianity a disservice. 



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 08:56 AM

 

 

So the Pope is for Chrislam? 

I think this particular one is sincerely for peace.  But it is a truth that Catholicism has always absorbed beliefs into itself.  In order for a one-world church to emerge, major religions are going to have to find common ground and join hands.  Of course, true Christianity won't have anything to do with it, but Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam are three of the majors in the world today.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:33 AM

I think this particular one is sincerely for peace.  But it is a truth that Catholicism has always absorbed beliefs into itself.  In order for a one-world church to emerge, major religions are going to have to find common ground and join hands.  Of course, true Christianity won't have anything to do with it, but Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam are three of the majors in the world today.

 I really think he is for peace, too, HC.  I always believed that John Paul II was for peace, as well.  Many people are calling Francis the False Prophet, but I don't believe that is the case.  They are going along with the prophecies of Malachi Martin.  Martin talked about visions and dreams, and that is totally un-biblical in this age.  I believe he talked about the 112 pope being the Anti-christ.  It sounds much like Nostradamus to me.

I believe the Anti-christ will have knowledge of all world religions.  The unsaved world will fall for his talks of peace, for the first 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.  He will have to really fool the Jews, as well.  I am more prone to believe that the Anti-christ will come out of Economic Babylon, which I believe is the USA.  I don't think it is a coincidence that the USA is never mentioned in Biblical prophecy when every other nation is.  Maybe, I am reading between the lines.  :)  However, the Anti-Christ will have to fool the Jews.  I have been hearing about a Syrian/Jordanian Jew for years.  I have a Facebook friend who is saved.  She was saved out of the RCC, but she spent much time in the Greek Orthodox "church" as her deceased husband's family was from Greece.  She spent every summer in Greece for 33 years.  She has a lot of knowledge on the Syrians.  She listened to their call to prayers, daily while living in Greece and also associated with them when they would come to Greece.  

Could a pope be the False Prophet and the Anti-christ a mix between Judaism and Islam?  I dunno.  Some people are also talking about two Anti-christ's (one being from the earth (a future pope) and the other being from the sea.  Has anyone heard this before?  I just don't know what to think.   



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 09:59 AM

The Bible specifically refers to one Anti-Christ, but several anti-Christs.  I don't think there's going to be one from the land and one from the sea.

 

Personally, I believe that the pope (whichever one is extant at the time) will be the false prophet.  It will be someone people will listen to when he makes pronunciations from the Anti-Christ.  I think the Anti-Christ himself will be someone who is in politics somehow - probably not well known, but rising.  I also believe he'll either have Hebrew blood or will be able to "prove" he does.  I - and this is just my opinion - don't believe the Jews will accept him otherwise. Daniel indicates that he'll have links to Rome and Greece, too.  In this day, with so many people able to trace their genealogy, and with the criss-cross of lineage, I can see how there will be a Heinz 57 mix.



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 10:30 AM

The Bible specifically refers to one Anti-Christ, but several anti-Christs.  I don't think there's going to be one from the land and one from the sea.

 

Personally, I believe that the pope (whichever one is extant at the time) will be the false prophet.  It will be someone people will listen to when he makes pronunciations from the Anti-Christ.  I think the Anti-Christ himself will be someone who is in politics somehow - probably not well known, but rising.  I also believe he'll either have Hebrew blood or will be able to "prove" he does.  I - and this is just my opinion - don't believe the Jews will accept him otherwise. Daniel indicates that he'll have links to Rome and Greece, too.  In this day, with so many people able to trace their genealogy, and with the criss-cross of lineage, I can see how there will be a Heinz 57 mix.

Yes, that is what I have been taught through the Bible.  This whole "one from the land and one from the sea" is traveling around Facebook.  However, it is charismatics saying that, so I do consider the source.

That is what I have come to believe, HC.  Many people believe he will be a political man.  It makes me wonder if he be ruling from the USA, because of how corrupt our political system is. I agree that he will not be well known.  Agreed about the Jews.  The majority of Jews are well aware of the Vatican and the bloody history that goes along with the RCC, in regards to Judaism.  Well, not to mention the Baptists, too.  Thank you for making me aware of what Daniel says about Greece.  I know what it says about Rome, but not Greece.  Yes, that is so true about people being able to trace their genealogy.  We have the Mormon genealogy site and others like it like "Ancestry.com."  The Jews even have a sophisticated site called "Yadvashem."  It is a DNA site.  A person can even find out, through DNA, what kind of illnesses your body will suffer in the future.  That's something I surely do not want to know.  LOL!  What good would it do me anyway?



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Posted 18 June 2014 - 12:08 PM

Actually it doesn't.  The term vicar simply means representative. It comes from the Latin vicarius and means the same as vice, as in assistant or deputy.  

 

 

 Vicarious. 1. Made or done insubstitution suffered of done in place of another.

2.  Filling the office or acting as another.

 

The pope claims he is acting for Christ and goes further saying he is Christ on Earth.

 

And do you know what anti means?   We usually take it to mean "against", however in Greek it had many more meanings.my dictionary gives the following.

 

Against; opposed to; opposite to; corresponding to; in return for.; instead of; equal to; like; mutually.


Edited by Invicta, 18 June 2014 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 18 June 2014 - 12:33 PM

Using those definitions it would virtually mean the same (your vicarious means the same as what I was saying...probably because it also comes from the Latin vicarius :icon_smile: ).  We all know he is anti-christ, as in opposed to what Christ actually teaches.

 

Thanks for the definitions.






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