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#21 AVBibleBeliever

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:25 AM

So, to use an UNBIBLICAL term as a true bible believer is ok?

 

God's words are very important and as such so should our words.  The more we use it  to speak of a fellowship of believers, in reference to their building and location and denomination as the CHURCH, the more we promote a false doctrine.

 

Many of us would say that we need to be active like JW's in leading people to Christ.  And the JW's are a head of us in not calling the location or the assembly of believers building a church.  they use the unbiblical term "Kingdom Hall".  The term company and fellowship are biblical terms that represent the assembly.

 

Our group has decided that when it is time to get a central location to assemble and fellowship. 

1) We will do so by putting the building and lot in the name of a trust and not anyone believer or an organization.

2) there will be no sign, name or any symbol on the outside of the building identifying us with any sect or denomination (these are unbiblical as well).

3) The assembling believers will be responsible to take care of the building and grounds corporately. 

4) the Assembling believers will be responsible for building and land tax.  there will be no non-profit status and no openly/publicized/or preached collection of tithes and offerings (to do so puts you under the govt control as income and tax needs to be paid).  Also the assembly will be responsible to build and finance to build the building used for fellowship as God moves on their heart. 

5) There will be elders appointed to see to the ministry of the saints in the fellowship.  these elders are on the same level no one is over the other.  None will try to manipulate the others for personal benefit or control.  the decisions necessary for purchases of any equipment or for outreaches will be first cleared on by a majority of the elders and then it is taken to the fellowship, the church the members of the body of Christ meeting there for final vote and it will be done only by majority. 

6) Those with the gift of pastor/teachers shall be asked to teach and to pastor, those with the gift of ministry will administer, those with the gift of helps will help, and so on.  No person in the body of Christ will be denied the free exercise of a spiritual gift except if it goes against the clear inspiration of God's word.  And each person will do so with the consent of the whole body of Christ.

7) Any attempt by any member of the body of Christ attempting to cause division, self promotion, or in open sin will be rebuked.  If there is no repentance of such actions the assembly of believers will upon majority put that person out of fellowship. 

8) All teaching will be from the word of God and those who are teaching will study to show themselves approved, and their teaching will be both book by book through the Bible as well as topical. Those who are taught the word will communicate in all good things with those who teach the word as to supplement their lifestyle so that they can give themselves to the word and prayer. 

9) the larger the fellowship the more the members of the body of Christ will be used to teach, minister and help.

10) If people in another area want to have a fellowship with like standards we will recognize them as the body of Christ and will send teachers to them and they to us for teaching.  Also, a Bishop will be appointed to each fellowship to oversee that the fellowships are keeping to the above Biblical standards and means of teaching and practices.


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 23 July 2014 - 06:29 AM.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:49 AM

Wow!



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:51 AM

Mike, your description of that church sounds much like about a third of the IFB churches in this area now. Unfortunately, most of the rest aren't too far behind in reaching that level of straying.

 

I have found around here that all the IFB churches that are turning away are not holding to the Fundamental part in the title.

They like to use the Independent part but they are far from Fundamental.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 06:58 AM

That's the problem here as well. For some reason they continue to call themselves IFB but they have certainly moved away from the "F" in their willingness to compromise, water down and loosen stands on separation and other issues. It's sad to see.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:13 AM

There is only ONE Body of Christ that is made up of many members. That ONE Body is identified in the Word of God as the CHURCH. Christ only has one Body.

That said, there are also buildings called Churches in the Bible.

In Revelation, we see Jesus speaking to the angel that was sent to the Church at Sardis, to the angel at the Church at Ephesus, and to five ofther Churches in other geographical locations.

I believe those Churches in Revelation to be places of worship where members of the ONE CHURCH, the Body of Christ met. Individually, we are not separate Churches. Rather, we are all members of ONE Body, ONE CHURCH, of which every joint supplieth.

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:53 AM

I thought this was an independent fundamental Baptist forum?

Sounds like I was wrong.......

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:58 AM

That's the problem here as well. For some reason they continue to call themselves IFB but they have certainly moved away from the "F" in their willingness to compromise, water down and loosen stands on separation and other issues. It's sad to see.

for sure if they move away from true Biblical fundamentals you should avoid any fellowship with them.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

I thought this was an independent fundamental Baptist forum?

Sounds like I was wrong.......

It all depends on what their fundamentals are? 

 

If their fundamentals are independence that could be a problem seeing we cannot say to one part of the body your are not of the body because you are not IFB then that is a unbiblical fundamental.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:06 AM

Ok, AVBB, enough.  We ALL know that a building does not comprise the Church.  But we all also know that churches have to meet somewhere....And the topic of this thread is not about what constitutes a church, but rather how to find one.  And that would include the body of believers, as GS has mentioned...how each individual church (and,yes, I dare use that biblical word) is run is up to the people who attend there as members.  But that is not the topic here, so let's get back to topic.  Without grousing...



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:12 AM

Ok, AVBB, enough.  We ALL know that a building does not comprise the Church.  But we all also know that churches have to meet somewhere....And the topic of this thread is not about what constitutes a church, but rather how to find one.  And that would include the body of believers, as GS has mentioned...how each individual church (and,yes, I dare use that biblical word) is run is up to the people who attend there as members.  But that is not the topic here, so let's get back to topic.  Without grousing...

Ok I'll stop. But remember the church does not meet in a church (no bible verse for that).  you can find the church by turning to your saved spouse, child or neighbor.  church was never used in the bible as a place of fellowship.  My point was about using Biblical terms in Biblical ways, seeing everyone here claims to believe the Bible so why not act like it and talk like it.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:17 AM

Ok I'll stop. But remember the church does not meet in a church (no bible verse for that).  you can find the church by turning to your saved spouse, child or neighbor.  church was never used in the bible as a place of fellowship.  My point was about using Biblical terms in Biblical ways, seeing everyone here claims to believe the Bible so why not act like it and talk like it.

We all know what your point was.  Just because someone doesn't act and talk like you dictated doesn't mean they aren't biblical. You take too much upon yourself to pass that kind of judgment.  Cease and desist (even though you said you'd stop, you didn't).  No rebuttal is necessary.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

Ask the Lord to guide you as you begin to visit churches in your area.

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 11:27 PM

Start one in your home and move as it grows.



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Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:02 PM

How would one start a home church or shall I say fellowship group?

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:24 PM

Set up Bible Studies initially. Invite neighbors over for them.

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:05 PM

SFIC, it's funny you mention that because in my search I flippantly mentioned to my sister that maybe I should start a fellowship group in my home. I actually have a drafted tex addressed to all those whom I think would be interested but haven't sent it. :-)

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:35 PM

Start a Bible study by all means, but study out how churches were started in the NT before you go "start one in your own home".

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:57 PM

I even heard of a group that Skype a service from great church



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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:11 PM

Definately, it would take much prayer and research.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 08:30 PM

How would one start a home church or shall I say fellowship group?

First, a man needs to be called of God to do it.  Just because there is a need does not mean one should do it.  A calling is necessary and then once one moves on that calling, a testing of that calling will commence. ( out of 10 will fail the testing because it could mean hardships that they are not willing to bear. 

 

I was in the mission field and do to a man's selfish ambition and alternative motives we lost all our support from our sending church and they would no longer handle our funds either.  We stood in our integrity before God and pressed on God provided every time we never went hungry and our bills were always paid for 15 years.  It was hard because we didn't have what we would have liked to have to do what we would have done.  But God always supplied fully for the things He wanted done that included youth camps, Family Camps and Bible Study workshops, Fence for the church lot, and even now while we are here the fellowship still stands and they are praying in funds to refurbish the 20 year old building.

 

Secondly, Try not to take any from other fellowships but reach out to those who are lost or are no longer attending any fellowship.  I found there are a lot of them.  this does not mean that some from their fellowships wont come but if they do it is of their own accord and you are blameless.

 

and Third, Try following some of the things I listed out in post #21 as to what our groups will do as it grows because it is more NT Biblical than todays Western Church Model.  If it goes correctly everyone in the fellowship will be about the work and exercising their spiritual gifts. In order for it to work there has to be close nit relationships of all the members.  this is done by spending longer hours with each other.

 

And of course Pray Pray Pray.  I added this because someone would have spoke up and said we didn't do the main thing "Pray".


Edited by AVBibleBeliever, 25 July 2014 - 08:41 PM.





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