Jump to content
Online Baptist
Jordan Kurecki

Original Sin/the Sin Nature

Recommended Posts

Now, it is not always easy to determine where temptation ends and sin starts. But temptation is not sin. But I believe most people believe that the fact we all get tempted is a sin nature. No, that is the flesh. The flesh simply lusts for whatever pleases it, it cannot choose what it wants. That is not sin. Sin is when we OBey it when it would transgress God's law.

 

Right, but saying that temptation is not a 'sin nature' because temptation is not itself sin relies on a definition of 'sin nature' that goes something like 'people have desires for things that are sinful and this is itself sinful'. I'm asking if you and others think that is what the doctrine of original sin proposes and/or what you think the term means. Because if all folk mean by the term is something like 'propensity to commit sin', then establishing that having the propensity isn't itself sinful is neither here nor there. I think it would be good if folk (not just Winman) defined very clearly what they mean by 'sin nature' because it sounds to me like different definitions are being discussed all at once.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

NN,

 

Much appreciated postings. When I was very young I had a small turtle. Someone set the turtle shelter (or whatever it was called, his little living environment...a round thing which held water and had an "island" in it with a fake palm tree) on top of the TV and the turtle died. That was back in the 60s when TVs were filled with vacuum tubes and the sets got hot. We think we accidently overheated the turtle and that brought about his demise.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Winman ( Win Man hmmmmm.I wonder how he came up with that moniker.) is a very clever fellow.  He has a well laid out presentation complete with graphics and videos. 

It's almost, sort of, like an infomercial, don't ya think.  How long and how many places, I wonder, has he gone through all this well laid out stuff. 

 

Ahh, forget it, just sitting here letting my imagination run wild.

 

God bless,

Larry

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's what infomercials do; they play upon the imagination. This leads to thoughts of, "Well, I keep hearing this, maybe it really is something I should buy".

 

As our pastor tells us, turn that stuff off! If it's really something we need, we should already know we need it, we don't need to be told the same thing over and over again for a half hour or hour in order for us to suddenly realize we need something.

 

Put down the credit card, lay aside the check book, this widget isn't what is claimed and it's not something you need.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"Sin nature" - the natural inclination to yield to sinful desires.  It is wired into our fleshly bodies.  If we had no sin nature, it would be impossible for us to be tempted to sin.

Did Adam and Eve have a sin nature when they were tempted in the Garden?

Did Jesus Christ have a sin nature when he was tempted in the desert.

 

did you really just say we have to have a sin nature to be tempted to sin.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did Adam and Eve have a sin nature when they were tempted in the Garden?

Did Jesus Christ have a sin nature when he was tempted in the desert.

 

did you really just say we have to have a sin nature to be tempted to sin.

 

Jordan, could you define what you mean when you say 'sin nature'?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"Sin nature" - the natural inclination to yield to sinful desires.  It is wired into our fleshly bodies.  If we had no sin nature, it would be impossible for us to be tempted to sin.

 

SFIC, so a 'sin nature' does not mean having sinful desires, it means a propensity to yield to those sinful desires. Is that what you mean?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

SFIC, so a 'sin nature' does not mean having sinful desires, it means a propensity to yield to those sinful desires. Is that what you mean?

When I say sin nature, I mean nature that is inclined toward sin that causes us to gravitate toward sin.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I say sin nature, I mean nature that is inclined toward sin that causes us to gravitate toward sin.

 
Ok, and you believe that a person can be 'tempted' to sin without being inclined toward that sin? Is that right? I ask this because you appear to imply such in your question to SFIC:
 
"did you really just say we have to have a sin nature to be tempted to sin."

 

Is an 'inclination toward sin' a different thing to having desires towards sinful things and/or having temptations to sin?

 

You also asked whether SFIC thinks Jesus had a sin nature (defined by you as 'nature that is inclined toward sin') when he was tempted in the desert. Winman's response to this question earlier was to say that Jesus had 'desires that tempt(ed)' him to sin, but that such is not the same thing as having a sin nature. Would you agree with him on that?

 

"If having desires that tempt us is a sin nature, then Jesus had a sin nature. He was tempted in ALL POINTS (think about that one for a minute) as we are, yet without sin."

 

Again, just trying to get to the bottom of what folk actually mean when they use the term...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Who's Online   0 Members, 0 Anonymous, 24 Guests (See full list)

    There are no registered users currently online

×