Any Stand For Israel Rallies In Your Area

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I notice there are a lot of Stand For Israel rallies going on around the country (America) and was wondering if there have been any in your area...or if your church is involved in such...or upcoming.

 

There have not been any close to here, but a couple across the river farther away.

 

I've seen a few news stories and read of several Baptists, Pentecostals and others holding rallies to show support for Israel.

 

If you attended any, or know of what went on in one, could you tell a little about it? I know at some rallies the Gospel is presented along with prayer, signs and speeches. Yet at some I've read about they don't share the Gospel and they leave out Jesus so as not to offend Jews.

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If I here of any locally, my inclination is to picket against Israel, & for the people of Palestine. Micah 6:8 still speaks.

 

But Hamas are evil in their rocket attacks - they're futile, & give Israel the excuse they want to destroy Gaza.

 

Where is Jesus & the Gospel in all this?

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Israel is a secular nation, as are all others. Micah 6:8 is dealing with personal interactions, not nation state issues.

 

If someone is shooting into ones home with a .22 that might only be somewhat dangerous yet if one has a .357 they are likely going to blast the attackers. If the terrorist Hamas doesn't want Israel to hit them, they shouldn't be hitting at Israel. Israel is waging war against a terrorist organization that runs Gaza.

 

If England were under small rocket attack it wouldn't take long before they took decisive military action; as they should.

 

The conflict involving Israel is very complex but Israel is doing nothing that England, America and every other major nation hasn't done in the past and would do again today under similar circumstances.

 

Outside interference on both sides of the conflict has continually made matters worse. Far better if all this had been allowed to be settled long ago. Thanks to interference on the part of supposed pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian nations, the prOBlems have only grown worse. It would be best all around if the situation were to be dealt with decisively.

 

Israel can't work a true deal with Hamas or establish peace with Hamas when Hamas has in their charter and continues to declare openly that they reject the right of Israel to exist and their goal is to see Israel exterminated.

 

Even so, some sort of cease fire will eventually be agreed to which will only serve as a brief time out of simmering as Hamas plans their next attack.

 

Most of the Stand For Israel rallies in America are in the form of praying for the peace of Jerusalem.

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1 [[A Song [or] Psalm of Asaph.]] Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;
8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.
9 Do unto them as [unto] the Midianites; as [to] Sisera, as [to] Jabin, at the brook of Kison:
10 [Which] perished at Endor: they became [as] dung for the earth.
11 Make their nOBles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.
13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;
15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.
16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.
17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:
18 That [men] may know that thou, whose name alone [is] JEHOVAH, [art] the most high over all the earth.

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The main reason I brought this up was to try and find out how many of these rallies are actually Christian in nature (Gospel presented, prayers in Jesus name, etc.) compared to those Christian in name only (secular speeches, generic prayers, political action, etc.).

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I'd say the majority of them were prOBably secular.  When a certain people are oppressed, many like to jump on the humanitarian bandwagon.

 

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Do the people in Israel actually under rocket attack in Gaza ever know or care that some people in the US gathered together for their support? How would a rally help them? Honest question.

A lot of "rallies" are sometimes just for our own conscience so we can feel better about ourselves "because we care" and lit a candle. And accomplish nothing.

As long as OBama is president, Israel will only get lip service from the US.

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For some rallies it's a matter of showing moral support, making a public stand and gathering together for prayer.

 

For some rallies it's mostly about sending a political message.

 

Some rallies have aspects of both.

 

Jewish organizations in America take note of these, as well as some media, and some of this does get back to folks in Israel. With the internet folks in Israel now can see some of these things almost directly. Such as the rally recently held in Dallas.

 

No doubt the OBama Administration is weak in all things foreign affairs, including dealings with Israel and the Middle East. The other day Fox News reported on the truce agreement Secretary of State Kerry had proposed on behalf of OBama. It's no wonder Israel rejected the proposal as the whole thing was a win for terrorist Hamas and a loss for Israel. The fact Hamas rejected the proposal is further indication of their evil intent.

 

The actual best thing America could do, whoever is president, is to tell Israel to deal with the terrorist threat however they think best and we won't speak against them or try to hinder them. Many of the prOBlems Israel is dealing with today is a result of past American presidents hamstringing Israel, preventing them from properly and decisively dealing with her enemies.

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Did anyone happen to see on the news that Turkey was caught trying to ship "humanitarian aid" to Gaza that turned out to be ball bearings and cement mixers? This from Muslim Turkey which President OBama calls his most trusted and favorite ally!

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No rallies in support of Israel, but thousands came out in Chicago to support Hamas.  Because so many people are ignorant of what is going on. Even Christians seem to think that it is Israel's fault that Hamas (and every other Arabic terrorist group) wants to annihilate it and that big, bad Israel ought to just sit back and say, "Okay, you don't like just having Gaza for a group of people that no Arab nation wants or will take in, come on in and destroy us and take our country."

 

No surprise at the Turkey aid.  All Muslim nations want Israel destroyed.  That alone is enough for me to support her.  I find it very laughable that such a tiny country has so many people enraged.  Laughable and sad. While the current Israel is not the Israel of the OT, I do firmly believe that God will not sit back and allow people to destroy it. Like it or not, God promised Israel a land.  And He promised trouble to those who cause Israel trouble.  

 

Hamas knew that their rockets wouldn't destroy Israel. They are working hard to destroy Israel in public opinion. And sadly it's working.  But Hamas and public opinion will not get the last laugh.

 

Does that mean I like everything about the Israeli government? Of course not, no more than I like everything about the American government.  But I do know enough to know that those who seek to oppress and destroy Israel will not win in the end.

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Many Christians lap up the mainstream news which always paints Israel as being over aggressive and wanting war while they paint the terrorists as barely getting by and their families being slaughtered. This is much of what leads to many Christians not knowing the truth and taking bad positions.

 

This is also why Israel is so unpopular on American college campuses while the "poor, downtrodden Muslims" are favored.

 

There have already been at least a couple incidents here in America of Jews being targeted by mOBs over the Israel/Hamas conflict.

 

While Hamas breaks yet another truce, killing two Israeli soldiers and capturing another, OBama says that while Israel has a right to defend herself she must use restraint.

 

Yes, don't hurt the terrorists too much, don't cause any suffering for those who voted Hamas into power and give them aid and support.

 

I don't recall Israel telling President Bush he needed to show restraint when he went after the Taliban and Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

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Have you seen the story out of Sweden involving Muslims luring cops into the area and then about 200 Muslims threw stones at them, set cars on fire and schools?

 

I wonder why the American news media didn't find space to report on this?

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Surely, as followers & ambassadors for the Prince of Peace, we can recognise the evil of both the activities of Israel & Hamas, rather than support either?

 

The TRUTH is that Gaza is being systematically destroyed by Israel in a one-sided conflict, with the death of over 1,000 non-combatants, and the destruction of homes, schools, hospitals & infrastructure - water supply, sewage & power.

 

LuAnne: While the current Israel is not the Israel of the OT, I do firmly believe that God will not sit back and allow people to destroy it. Like it or not, God promised Israel a land.  And He promised trouble to those who cause Israel trouble.

The current Israel is not New Covenant Israel either. We can only bless Israel - & its enemies - with the Gospel, & humanitarian support through Christian agencies. Opposing Israel should NOT mean supporting Islam.

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No rallies in support of Israel, but thousands came out in Chicago to support Hamas. Because so many people are ignorant of what is going on. Even Christians seem to think that it is Israel's fault that Hamas (and every other Arabic terrorist group) wants to annihilate it and that big, bad Israel ought to just sit back and say, "Okay, you don't like just having Gaza for a group of people that no Arab nation wants or will take in, come on in and destroy us and take our country."

No surprise at the Turkey aid. All Muslim nations want Israel destroyed. That alone is enough for me to support her. I find it very laughable that such a tiny country has so many people enraged. Laughable and sad. While the current Israel is not the Israel of the OT, I do firmly believe that God will not sit back and allow people to destroy it. Like it or not, God promised Israel a land. And He promised trouble to those who cause Israel trouble.

Hamas knew that their rockets wouldn't destroy Israel. They are working hard to destroy Israel in public opinion. And sadly it's working. But Hamas and public opinion will not get the last laugh.

Does that mean I like everything about the Israeli government? Of course not, no more than I like everything about the American government. But I do know enough to know that those who seek to oppress and destroy Israel will not win in the end.

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We always say: "we are crossing into a Communist country kids, when we hit the Welcome to Illinois sign on the Dan Ryan.
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One of the basic tenants of war is to hit your enemies harder and more severely than they hit you so as to not only deal with the current enemy, but hopefully discourage further attacks from them or others.

 

Israel is doing nothing that American, England and countless other nations haven't done. The only exception being that Israel is striking back carefully and with concern for civilians while America and England both have a track record of going all out.

 

As a Christian I pray for peace. That doesn't negate the reality that Israel, Gaza and Hamas are all lost sinners engaged in sinful activities which should be no surprise to any of us. In accord with the rules of this secular world, Israel has the right to not only defend herself from attack, but the right to seek out and destroy the terrorist Hamas even at the unfortunate expense of civilian lives which Hamas purposefully put in harms way.

 

Hamas started this current conflict and they are reaping what they sowed. The civilians of Gaza voted Hamas into power and they are reaping what they sowed.

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Surely, as followers & ambassadors for the Prince of Peace, we can recognise the evil of both the activities of Israel & Hamas, rather than support either?

The TRUTH is that Gaza is being systematically destroyed by Israel in a one-sided conflict, with the death of over 1,000 non-combatants, and the destruction of homes, schools, hospitals & infrastructure - water supply, sewage & power.

The current Israel is not New Covenant Israel either. We can only bless Israel - & its enemies - with the Gospel, & humanitarian support through Christian agencies. Opposing Israel should NOT mean supporting Islam.


You are unbelievable on this matter - the ACTUAL truth is that Hamas is constantly breaking truces and constantly firing rocket aimed at CIVILIAN centre's from places that designed to cause "collateral damage" if they attacked.

The ACTUAL truth is that Israel finances and supplies medical facilities in Gaza and provides greatly for the Palestinians.

And the ACTUAL truth is that many here have said the whole thing is a tragedy and innocent people on both sides are paying for it.
But Hamas are the aggressors.

Let someone fire rockets at your village every day and see what you do about it.

Stop spouting your tainted point of view - it is twisted by your twisted theology.

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This is a contribution from a Russian Jew.

 

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Ralph Sexton is really really really standing up for Israel.

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While Hamas breaks yet another truce, killing two Israeli soldiers and capturing another, OBama says that while Israel has a right to defend herself she must use restraint.
 
Yes, don't hurt the terrorists too much, don't cause any suffering for those who voted Hamas into power and give them aid and support.
 
I don't recall Israel telling President Bush he needed to show restraint when he went after the Taliban and Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

 
I don't know too much about the conflict but I've still got a couple of points to make. First is the 'but they started it' line which I've seen a few times, including in Dave's post above. The insinuation seems to be that because Hamas started it, whatever they get is just desserts and therefore Israel is above any criticism it might receive for how it handles the conflict. My view is that it's just irrelevant whether or not Hamas started it to whether or not Israel should respond proportionately (and I'm not saying they aren't).

 

Secondly, John's remarks about OBama being wrong for telling Israel to defend itself with restraint--if that's what OBama said then it's a totally uncontroversial remark, even redundant. Countries have long expected each other to act with restraint during conflict. You brought up the UK earlier John, saying that it has acted decisively in conflict in the past. Yeah and it has been criticised for its role in conflict many times--bombing of Dresden, sinking of the Belgrano, bloody Sunday, Amritsar massacre are just a few that spring to mind--and rightly criticised too. I'm not saying criticism of Israel is fair and I'm definitely not saying the country's behaviour can be compared to the events I just cited, but the country isn't above criticism--no country is.

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The Diamond District in New York chases off Palestinian Protesters.

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Where did the concept of "proportional response" come from? Historically, the response has been to hit back as much harder as possible against those who attack you. Talking about "proportional response" opens up the entire gray box as who is to say what is or isn't proportional, or proportional to what, or proportional for who, etc.

 

Did America strike back proportionally after 9-11? Or December 7, 1941?

 

The whole idea of civilized warfare is wrong as war itself isn't civilized. War is about brute force. This stuff today of thinking it's okay to attack a nation and then cry foul when they strike back is actually very ridiculous.

 

In any event, Hamas did draw first blood in this current conflict so the burden of responsibility for what is taking place is upon them.

 

Outside of some sort of Great Awakening taking place among the Palestinians and Israelis the terrorism and war will continue. War is ugly. We (Christians) should be using the weapon of prayer.

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I don't know too much about the conflict but I've still got a couple of points to make. First is the 'but they started it' line which I've seen a few times, including in Dave's post above. The insinuation seems to be that because Hamas started it, whatever they get is just desserts and therefore Israel is above any criticism it might receive for how it handles the conflict. My view is that it's just irrelevant whether or not Hamas started it to whether or not Israel should respond proportionately (and I'm not saying they aren't).

Secondly, John's remarks about OBama being wrong for telling Israel to defend itself with restraint--if that's what OBama said then it's a totally uncontroversial remark, even redundant. Countries have long expected each other to act with restraint during conflict. You brought up the UK earlier John, saying that it has acted decisively in conflict in the past. Yeah and it has been criticised for its role in conflict many times--bombing of Dresden, sinking of the Belgrano, bloody Sunday, Amritsar massacre are just a few that spring to mind--and rightly criticised too. I'm not saying criticism of Israel is fair and I'm definitely not saying the country's behaviour can be compared to the events I just cited, but the country isn't above criticism--no country is.


I never presented the "they started it" response.
What I actually was pointing out is that Hamas constantly break truces even whilst Israel does nothing.
And if you bother to check actual facts you find out that Israel only attacks military targets such as HQ's and rocket launching stations. The prOBlem is that these targets are DELIBERATELY sited by Hamas in Schools and places where they know there will be lots of civilians.

Tell me Ali, if someone were constantly firing rockets at your home, would you just sit back and let them kill your family?
What if someone was hiding behind their own child whilst shooting at you family and friends and the only way to stop them was to shoot through the child?
It is an unlikely personal situation, but not unlike what is going on there.

Hamas put rocket launchers in schools and fire rocket after rocket blindly into Israel aiming at CIVILIAN POPULATION CENTRE THAT HAVE NO MILITARY VALUE OR PRESCENSE. They are deliberately targeting civilians, just as they did with their suicide bomber attacking school busses and cafes a few years ago.

Israel attack rocket launching sites that are placed in high density population centers.

If you bother to read properly I said that it is tragedy on both sides.

But unlike some who post here, I do not deliberately post false information to make it look like it is all Israelis fault.

Israel have many times sat back and done nothing while Hamas or previously the PLO continued to attack Israel targeting specifically civilians.
Hamas is on record as saying that they will not be satisfied until Israel no longer exists.

I would appreciate it if you did not misrepresent me.
Nothing to do with "He started it" and everything to do with defending against someone who will not stop taking swings, no matter how many free punches the other guy allows before hitting back.

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