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On 27/12/2016 at 5:27 AM, HappyChristian said:

My brother got us a new Notebook for Christmas. It has Windows 10 OS. Supposedly it will run faster than our 9 year old computer using outdated Vista. Alas, it does not. In fact, I can barely get it to get online. My brother did not purchase Office, so I assumed there would be Word Pad...and after hours of searching, I found it. sigh...could someone who has Windows 10 help me figure some things out about it? 

When I started on Linux in the last month.  The easiest thing I found was Installing my printer.  On windows I have to go on line to find a driver then install it which takes ages.  On Linux I switched my printer on and within a few minutes it had found it and installed a driver.  It is an HP 4620.  Thanks NN

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4 hours ago, Invicta said:

When I started on Linux in the last month.  The easiest thing I found was Installing my printer.  On windows I have to go on line to find a driver then install it which takes ages.  On Linux I switched my printer on and within a few minutes it had found it and installed a driver.  It is an HP 4620.  Thanks NN

That's how mine got installed, too. Pretty neat, eh?

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On 1/1/2017 at 11:30 AM, Invicta said:

When I started on Linux in the last month.  The easiest thing I found was Installing my printer.  On windows I have to go on line to find a driver then install it which takes ages.  On Linux I switched my printer on and within a few minutes it had found it and installed a driver.  It is an HP 4620.  Thanks NN

Yea, Windows seems to complicate things sometimes. :42_confused:

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I read today that windows 10s will be released soon (maybe already) and that it will not allow a person to run any program that is not Microsoft store bought.  If this is true and I assume it is I run a lot of programs including Steam, that are not MS approved programs.  Is there another operating system that can be used on PC's that are not MS based?

 

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I don't think it is MS store only, but there are restrictions on what can be run - Internet browsers for instance.

I read that you cannot (or at least it is really difficult) to make anything other than MS Edge your default browser.

They are certainly making it as hard as possible for people to use non MS approved stuff. But I think it is mostly browser and OS admin type stuff.

But W10s is not the "new" version for everything. As I understand it, it is the "cut down" Windows for use of tabs, phones, and low storage/low RAM machines.

Full Win10 stays basically the same as it is now. Not to say the next update or version won't go the same way in the future.

 

But in the end it is still more "open" than MAC, although they are trying to head that way.

 

Other operating systems?

Linux - talk to No Nics - he is our resident "expert", but keep in mind that Linux takes a bit of work to get going.

Nothing else really for the average guy - got to be a serious geek to even find info on other stuff, let alone get it running.

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On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2017 at 11:29 PM, DaveW said:

I read that you cannot (or at least it is really difficult) to make anything other than MS Edge your default browser.

They are certainly making it as hard as possible for people to use non MS approved stuff. But I think it is mostly browser and OS admin type stuff.

But W10s is not the "new" version for everything. As I understand it, it is the "cut down" Windows for use of tabs, phones, and low storage/low RAM machines.

Full Win10 stays basically the same as it is now. Not to say the next update or version won't go the same way in the future.

I just read another article on windows 10, and it reminded me I had made this post.  lol  

http://searchengineland.com/microsoft-says-no-to-other-browsers-248381

I am not in a position to purchase another computer nor am I tech savvy enough to truly understand the intricacies of these forced choices.  To me it just seems to be greed forcing people to pay for things that are free from many websites.  Kind of like the IPhone you pay an outrageous price for the phone then pay an outrageous price to use it.  I feel trapped by technology and want to just turn everything off but if I do I will have contact with hardly anyone.   

  

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From the article above...

I asked Microsoft which programs were most commonly being used to do the “circumvention” it talks about. It said it wasn’t sharing that information.

LOL! They won't share that information, but they sure do want user's information! 

LOLOLOL! 

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Hey Orval, that is one of the reasons I don't use Apple mac stuff - because they basically lock you in to getting everything through them.

They control their users by it.

As Microsoft head further that way I will likely migrate to something else, but choices are limited: the something else has to be either linux or a ported version of Android, but they both take tech knowledge at the moment.......

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There are a couple of Android-based operating systems for desktops/laptops. I've tried them, and though they look sleek and modern, they're not quite perfect yet. 

Plus, it's all Android...not sure I'd trust it's security at this point...then again...I'm a bit paranoid about these types of things. LOL! 

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52 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

There are a couple of Android-based operating systems for desktops/laptops. I've tried them, and though they look sleek and modern, they're not quite perfect yet. 

Plus, it's all Android...not sure I'd trust it's security at this point...then again...I'm a bit paranoid about these types of things. LOL! 

Yep, but we are still in reality limited to Win or Mac if you want a switch on and use machine.

The only other options are Linux and Android, and as you say Android is still relatively undeveloped - and it takes more than average computer skills to load it up.

From what I can see, Android is more difficult to set up initially, but then is reasonable once it is set up, while Linux is easier at the start, but you have to play whenever you want to add anything.

But Android also has a lot of stuff that is Phone/Tablet focused, and is a bit clunky on PC........

Still comes back to being trapped into either Win or Mac for the majority

 

As far as security is concerned, I wonder how something designed to attack a phone or tablet would go in a PC environment?.

And most of the "security software" companies offer Android cover now anyway - but can we trust them?

I wonder how much of the virus and malware stuff is actually leaked into the net by them to promote business?:15_1_63:

Or do I need to find a tinfoil hat about now?? :laugh:

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6 minutes ago, DaveW said:

Or do I need to find a tinfoil hat about now?? :laugh:

That's your best bet my friend...

:laugh:

7 minutes ago, DaveW said:

But Android also has a lot of stuff that is Phone/Tablet focused, and is a bit clunky on PC........

In my testing of the Android operating systems for desktops/laptops, the clunkiness came through in some of the Android apps. For instance, I tried Netflix...it looked absolutely great on the laptop, but it wouldn't even play at all.

I didn't take the time to try to figure it out though. I did read that "some" of the apps may not render or work correctly on desktops/laptops. So...it may have been possible to work around it, but whether that's feasible or not...I don't know. I only tried them for about an hour and gave up. LOL!

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I'm actually running Windows 10 right now...

...in a Virtual box on Linux. :laugh:

I downloaded the Windows 10 .iso last night (from the Microsoft website) and installed it in the Virtual box today...all without having to provide a Product Key to activate it. During the installation, I just kept telling it that I didn't have one (Product key).

It's not illegal. By not having a Product key to activate it, it only limits some of the Settings to personalize the look...like changing the wallpaper or the colors. However, you can still change the wallpaper...you just can't do it through the Settings.

So...Windows 10 can actually be installed for free if you're willing to not be able to personalize it easily through the Settings. From all I've looked at, everything else works like it should.

I don't know how long this "free version" will last or if it will one day just stop working without activating it...one day, one month, one year, indefinitely? I don't know. They're still making money off the installation (without it being activated) by receiving data for marketing purposes.

No...I'm not giving up Linux. I was just having some fun. 

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Okay folks...it's time for me to fess up.

Earlier today, I confessed a grievous sin to another member here privately...which is...

I have now done a full install of Windows 10 onto one of my computer's partitions. :4_6_100:

After playing around with it in Virtual Box on Linux, I liked it so much that I decided to install it. (Did I just say that?)

Oh yeah...I disabled everything I could to protect my privacy, but who knows what they're still getting from me? :laugh:

After mulling everything over, I decided that it would be wise to know the system first-hand rather than just being a "Windows 10 Linux Basher". So far, so good...other than having to download printer drivers...which Linux automatically picks up.

This is probably irrelevant, but what has surprised me the most was that they have a 32bit version available, and a lot of Linux systems are dropping 32bit support.   :4_12_2:

I had no idea that Windows still offered 32bit systems...

 

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8 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

We tried to load Kaspersky security into my mom's new computer - Windows 10 wouldn't let us.

It appears that Kapersky has filed some type of complaint (a few days ago) against Microsoft. 

http://thehackernews.com/2017/06/kaspersky-microsoft-antitrust.html

This is the second day that I've been using Windows 10...it's installed but not activated. 

This wasn't on the screen yesterday; however today, this "friendly watermark" showed up on the desktop. :laugh:  It appears on every screen. The first picture is the desktop; it's easy to see in the lower right corner. It's not as apparent on the second screenshot of OB. Kind of irritating, but I guess that's part of the "price" for installing it for free. :laugh:

I won't bend to these strong-arm tactics!  :4_2_109v:  :laugh:

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Once it's activated, you won't see that. I do like their background screen options - they give you the choice of whether you want to see more of things like that scene. If you click on it before signing in (I just touch the screen), then once you sign in it automatically takes you to an information page of the scene. There's a lot of beauty in the world!

Thanks for the info re: Kaspersky. I don't like the government butting into things, but when it's something like the web, and one certain company is impeding an end user from loading whatever that user wished to load on their own computer, I think the gubmint needs to stop 'em. =D

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57 minutes ago, HappyChristian said:

Once it's activated, you won't see that. I do like their background screen options - they give you the choice of whether you want to see more of things like that scene. If you click on it before signing in (I just touch the screen), then once you sign in it automatically takes you to an information page of the scene. There's a lot of beauty in the world!

Thanks for the info re: Kaspersky. I don't like the government butting into things, but when it's something like the web, and one certain company is impeding an end user from loading whatever that user wished to load on their own computer, I think the gubmint needs to stop 'em. =D

Yes ma'am...but I'm just familiarizing myself with the system...I have no plans to activate it. :laugh:

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I switched from NOD32 to Bitdefender when the latter started to consistently top the industry tests and the former went downhill. They used to have a Linux version too, which was nice.

On 09/06/2017 at 7:32 PM, No Nicolaitans said:

Oh yeah...I disabled everything I could to protect my privacy, but who knows what they're still getting from me?

Yeah, although trying to ensure privacy on Windows 10 might be a forlorn hope, if you do adjust the settings like you've done, make sure you review them after significant updates. Microsoft routinely uses updates to reinstall software you've uninstalled and change settings back to defaults. That's been my experience anyway.

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A Linux user's review of Windows 10

Okay, my brief affair with WIndows 10 is now over.

I tried both the 64bit version and 32bit version. Here's my assessment...

1. I really liked it!

It is an absolutely beautiful operating system. Everything just worked...except for having to download the driver for my printer. I was reminded of how things used to be before I switched to Linux as my main OS. 

2. I really enjoyed learning (what little I did) about the system.

It really was fun exploring the system, but I was reminded of how things aren't as easily accessible on Windows as they are on Linux. Files aren't as easy to find on Windows, and navigating the file manager is confusing (to me). It gave me a greater appreciation for the simplicity that Linux offers. 

3. I realized what I take for granted on LInux.

Having to have an antivirus and malware protection adds a lot of computer resource usage (no wonder my old 32bit Windows Vista laptop got so bogged down considering it only had 1 GB of memory!). Just the operating system, antivirus, and malware program used over half of the available memory on the 32bit computer.

4. I really wanted to keep using it though!

It's just so stinkin' beautiful and nice! Still, even though I did everything I could to guard my privacy, I couldn't shake the feeling that Microsoft was still getting telemetry data from me...or more.

5. Still, I wouldn't mind using it in the future.

I have nothing to hide, I "surf the internet" wisely, and I make sure that everything is up-to-date and protected. If I ever buy a new computer, I'll gladly keep the Windows 10 OS on it. However, that will be a case of "have to". I'm perfectly happy and content in my world of LInux for now. One thing I brought away from this...I won't bash Windows 10 any longer. It's a great operating system. If a user does what they can do to protect themselves and their privacy, then have at it. :)

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I just built a new machine to replace the one I built in 2005.  I got Windows 10 Professional and like the speed but am used to Windows 98/XP.  Windows 7 went on our old laptop and liked that I could make it look more like XP/98.  

It's taken some getting used to and using Office products is way slower with all those useless functions being front and center instead of like before.  Well, I reckon it's going to take some time to customize it and get used to the new features.  There's an awful lot of stuff I'll never use too and one pet peeve, everything is called an "app" not a "program".  I like programs not apps!  Yeah, I don't like the poor access to files so I've reorganized it like the old way to retain access to everything.

Also, I put the OS on a RAID1 with SSDs and my personal files (My Documents) on a RAID 1 with Western Digital drives.  Everything is backed up to Carbonite too.

This machine is a rocket though, it blasts its way through anything!

 

Bitdefender is great!

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