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1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

Now it seems to me that those people - `Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.`  are saints, people of Israel, for the Body of Christ was not known or even begun.

As to the `armies,` well it never says they are the body of Christ. All through God`s word we see that the armies of heaven, are the angelic host.

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

All Christians are grafted into Israel. The saints are in the army.

Psalm 149:5-9

5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;

7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.

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Hi Eric,

We do get to some interesting points. So you believe we, the Body of Christ are grafted into Israel. Can you please show from scripture how you have come to this view, please?

regards, Marilyn.

BTW I do know the scriptures you are referring to but would like to see how you present them.

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4 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

We do get to some interesting points. So you believe we, the Body of Christ are grafted into Israel. Can you please show from scripture how you have come to this view, please?

regards, Marilyn.

BTW I do know the scriptures you are referring to but would like to see how you present them.

Marilyn,

Galatians 3:6-7

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

 

(Israel is the olive tree)

Romans 11:17-20

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

(The Jews that don't accept Jesus are broken off the tree of Israel and those Gentiles that accept Jesus are grafted into Israel the olive tree.)

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Hi Eric,

Thank you for your reply.

Galatians (3) - as we both know is presenting the truth that we are not perfected by the works of the law but by faith in Christ, (who fulfilled the law). We are the `children of Abraham,` meaning `of faith` such as he had. It does NOT mean we are now physical Israel.

`So then they which are OF FAITH are blessed with believing Abraham.` (Gal. 3: 9)

There is still such a nation as Israel, with people who are physical descendants of Abraham. That is NOT us.

 

 Romans (11) - Who does God say is the Olive tree?

The root is holy. (v.16)

The root has fatness. (v. 17)

The root supports you. (v.18)

 

No other than the Lord Jesus Christ can fulfill all those requirements.

 

Only the Lord is Holy.

Only the Lord can replete (fatness) fill us up.

Only the Lord supports us.

 

Thus we are IN CHRIST, NOT in Israel.

 

Regards, Marilyn.

 

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On 2/18/2018 at 4:47 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

Thank you for your reply.

Galatians (3) - as we both know is presenting the truth that we are not perfected by the works of the law but by faith in Christ, (who fulfilled the law). We are the `children of Abraham,` meaning `of faith` such as he had. It does NOT mean we are now physical Israel.

`So then they which are OF FAITH are blessed with believing Abraham.` (Gal. 3: 9)

There is still such a nation as Israel, with people who are physical descendants of Abraham. That is NOT us.

 

 Romans (11) - Who does God say is the Olive tree?

The root is holy. (v.16)

The root has fatness. (v. 17)

The root supports you. (v.18)

 

No other than the Lord Jesus Christ can fulfill all those requirements.

 

Only the Lord is Holy.

Only the Lord can replete (fatness) fill us up.

Only the Lord supports us.

 

Thus we are IN CHRIST, NOT in Israel.

 

Regards, Marilyn.

 

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes to rescue Israel it will be the saints from heaven with him.

Zechariah 14:5

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come,                   and all the saints with thee.

 

 

(Jesus will take the anointed saints with their two-edged swords to Armageddon to cut the heads of antichrists soldiers to the foundation of their necks.)

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

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3 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes to rescue Israel it will be the saints from heaven with him.

Zechariah 14:5

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come,                   and all the saints with thee.

 

 

(Jesus will take the anointed saints with their two-edged swords to Armageddon to cut the heads of antichrists soldiers to the foundation of their necks.)

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

Hi Eric,

I`m glad you posted those scriptures bro, for they are the ones that has caused this great error. So let`s have a look at them.

Zech. 14: 5 `...and the Lord my God shall come and all the `quodos,` ones with thee.`

The Hebrew word `quodos` means - holy ones and that can be angels or saints. Thus we need more scriptures to verify which.

 

Habakkuk 3 is referring to the Lord - thine anointed. It is He who will deal with those that come against Jerusalem.

`Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.` (Zech. 14: 12)

Nothing to do with us cutting off people`s heads.

 

regards, Marilyn.

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6 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Eric,

I`m glad you posted those scriptures bro, for they are the ones that has caused this great error. So let`s have a look at them.

Zech. 14: 5 `...and the Lord my God shall come and all the `quodos,` ones with thee.`

The Hebrew word `quodos` means - holy ones and that can be angels or saints. Thus we need more scriptures to verify which.

 

Habakkuk 3 is referring to the Lord - thine anointed. It is He who will deal with those that come against Jerusalem.

`Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.` (Zech. 14: 12)

Nothing to do with us cutting off people`s heads.

 

regards, Marilyn.

Marilyn,

Zechariah 14:12-13 happens when God causes America and Russia to fight a nuclear war.

Isaiah 25:4-8

4 For thou hast been a strength to the poor, a strength to the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shadow from the heat, when the blast of the terrible ones is as a storm against the wall.

5 Thou shalt bring down the noise of strangers, as the heat in a dry place; even the heat with the shadow of a cloud: the branch of the terrible ones shall be brought low.       ((((The Bomb))))

6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.

7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (((The heavens will roll up as a scroll)))

8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

 

It happens in Ezekiel 39:6-8

 

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

 

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11 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

Zechariah 14:12-13 happens when God causes America and Russia to fight a nuclear war.

 

 

Hi Eric,

You seem to miss when I reply and keep moving on. It would be good to finish one point eg the Olive tree before moving on. I showed you that God`s word reveals it is the Lord who is holy, nurtures us and supports us. Israel has never or can never do that.

As to America and Russia in a nuclear war. You`ll have to have more proof from God`s word regarding that. God`s word actually does say who is in that war. (Ez. 38: 1 - 6)

regards, Marilyn. 

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On 2/19/2018 at 7:07 PM, Eric Stahl said:

Marilyn,

When Jesus comes to rescue Israel it will be the saints from heaven with him.

Zechariah 14:5

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:

and the LORD my God shall come,                   and all the saints with thee.

 

 

(Jesus will take the anointed saints with their two-edged swords to Armageddon to cut the heads of antichrists soldiers to the foundation of their necks.)

Habakkuk 3:11-13

11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

12 Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.

13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

It is true that the goodness comes from Jesus as the root. However the tree is Israel which has bad branches.when Israel turned from Jesus, Jesus called the church or body of Christ.

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10 hours ago, Eric Stahl said:

It is true that the goodness comes from Jesus as the root. However the tree is Israel which has bad branches.when Israel turned from Jesus, Jesus called the church or body of Christ.

Hi Eric,

Glad we can agree there bro. that Jesus is the root.  However as regards Israel being the tree, let`s have a closer look -

`.....grafted in among them, and with them became partaker of the root and fatness of the Olive tree.` (Rom. 11: 17)

Clearly we see that the Lord is the root and the Olive tree, for Israel and the Body of Christ receive nourishment from Christ. However it does not say we are in Israel.

regards, Marilyn.

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