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Firearms thread.

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Don't want to derail that thread so.....

 

I sure am glad that I don't live in a place where I would feel it a necessity to concealed carry at all times.

I am glad I don't live in a place where I would feel it necessary to have a loaded weapon by my bedside or next to my front door.

Whether or not YOU think I should anyway, I don't feel any need to be armed in my society - and I am glad of it. 

 

Please note thst I am not saying anyone is wrong to have or feel like they have to have a weapon for protection.

I am saying I am glad that I don't live in a place where I would feel it a necessity. 

Praise the Lord for that about where I live. 

 

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I could get a licence and an appropriate firearm if I wanted to, but I don't feel like I need to.

I am not a hunter, but I know people who are - with firearms, bows, and crossbows - and they have that freedom in the right places of course. Hunting is not a huge thing over here, but there are places where you are allowed to hunt, and there are many farmers who are happy to allow hunting on their land. Roos are the main targets, but I also know a few people who hunt goats (wild), and also there are some wild pigs that are good hunting - but you have to know where to go for them. Bunnies everywhere, but they more often trapped than hunted.

I know of a few ranges and clubs where you can use your own firearms or they have them for hire for range use. At the ranges you don't have to have a licence to use them.

We lock our cars and our doors at night, and you do hear on the news about home invasions every now and then, but I just don't feel the need to arm myself.

One of the many good things about where I live.

 

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On 3/17/2017 at 11:01 PM, DaveW said:

Don't want to derail that thread so.....

 

I sure am glad that I don't live in a place where I would feel it a necessity to concealed carry at all times.

I am glad I don't live in a place where I would feel it necessary to have a loaded weapon by my bedside or next to my front door.

Whether or not YOU think I should anyway, I don't feel any need to be armed in my society - and I am glad of it. 

 

Please note thst I am not saying anyone is wrong to have or feel like they have to have a weapon for protection.

I am saying I am glad that I don't live in a place where I would feel it a necessity. 

Praise the Lord for that about where I live. 

 

If you lock your door at night then you live in that kind of area. If you don't lock up, well, I wish you the best.

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15 minutes ago, fastjav390 said:

If you lock your door at night then you live in that kind of area. If you don't lock up, well, I wish you the best.

What does that even mean???????

 

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One might reckon that you fear your car being stolen or sippy cup but not your wife or children.  Said another way, you fear and or prepare for one level of threat but not a higher level threat.

I live in a fallen world with deviants of all kinds around me and my family.  I am too infirm to defend them like Chuck Norris and have deferred to Indiana Jones' method of dealing with those kinds of threats.

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On 3/20/2017 at 0:06 AM, DaveW said:

What does that even mean???????

 

Really, you don't understand that? Must be a cultural thing.

If you feel the need to lock your door at night then you realize that there's a chance someone might come in uninvited and with bad intentions.

If you don't lock up at night then I wish you the best because you are leaving yourself open as an easy target.

Nothing hard to understand about that.

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Did you not read my second post?

I am no fool - locking doors and locking cars is reasonable, but where I am I feel no need to arm myself for protection.

 

I AM GLAD THAT I LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE I DON'T FEEL I NEED TO ARM MYSELF.

 

I also feel sorry for you folks who live in places where you feel that you have to arm yourself.

 

Ask yourself - where would rather live?

In a place where you feel so threatened that you have to arm yourself, or in a place where you feel comfortable being unarmed?

I COULD ARM MYSELF IF I WISHED, but I don't feel it necessary.

 

 

 

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We keep a certain number of firearms, but mostly for the standard farm purposes: coyotes, the occasional mountain lion, badgers, ravens, for butchering a goat, or an animal need to be put down. Most of the predator issues are taken care of by our livestock guardian dogs, but should they fail, we have the firearms.  There IS the occasional human threat, living way out where we do, so they are also kept for such emergencies-where we live a lot of people like to go out and shoot at cans and such, but if they are too close, a high warning shot usually gets them doing the right thing. I only carried a weapon once when I thought there might be a reason to have it, but I ended up witnessing to him the gospel and he left of his own accord. Suddenly there was something more important than to be hanging around the farm with no purpose. Never had to even show it. The Sword worked better than the gun.

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1 hour ago, Ukulelemike said:

We keep a certain number of firearms, but mostly for the standard farm purposes: coyotes, the occasional mountain lion, badgers, ravens, for butchering a goat, or an animal need to be put down.

Don't forget cleaning the chimney...

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On 3/21/2017 at 11:49 AM, Alimantado said:

Don't forget cleaning the chimney...

Yep, might be some tasty fowl flying around that chimney!  

DaveW: Don't feel sorry for me and my fellow Americans.  With the Lord's blessings, our guns have secured our freedoms for hundreds of years while most nations' people exist to serve the state and whose governments are marching toward global communism.  The Constitution of the United States was the bulwark that kept America from becoming the likes of France, England and Germany for over 200 years.

As resident Aussie Steve Lee sings, I like guns.   

 

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I consider my sidearm like a fire extinguisher. I hope I never need it but it's there if I ever do. So far my house hasn't caught on fire but the fire extinguisher is there. Likewise some of my sheep still carry the genes for horns. They go about their sheepy business every day like the horns aren't even there. But I've seen mother sheep go into action when my dog gets too close. If the Good Lord saw fit for a sheep to have defensive weapons, methinks He doesn't expect us to be helpless either. Since we don't have claws, sharp teeth or horns, we use the brains God gave us to make and use tools for our needs.

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17 hours ago, swathdiver said:

Yep, might be some tasty fowl flying around that chimney!  

DaveW: Don't feel sorry for me and my fellow Americans.  With the Lord's blessings, our guns have secured our freedoms for hundreds of years while most nations' people exist to serve the state and whose governments are marching toward global communism.  The Constitution of the United States was the bulwark that kept America from becoming the likes of France, England and Germany for over 200 years.

As resident Aussie Steve Lee sings, I like guns.   

Yes, guns have killed many Americans, and not only in wars.  

I am happy living in England and far prefer that to a land which worshipos guns.

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It's interesting to see the cultural division of views on this topic. I would have thought that the division might be colonial vs old world... but it's not, since Australia seems to share the same view as Britain.  The history of America certainly give us a clue to why, by and large, the right to bear  arms is so precious to them. Just look at the second amendment. 

I, for one, rather agree with that amendment, although its effectiveness is a bit outdated. Every government, even the ones that allow their citizens to bear some arms, has taken measurements to ensure that citizens do not have access to the same level of fire arms as the military, Thus ensuring that the government always has the upper hand in any conflicts – foreign and domestic. 

Maybe the division really comes down to: how much do you trust government? And do you consider it the right and duty of the citizens to stand up against unjust government?  This question isnt just a political one, but has both scriptural and doctoral implications. 

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Australia have never had a civil war.

In fact we have never had a real war within our bounds.

When the English first came, it was a peaceful arrival, but it degenerated into what was essentially a takeover of the aboriginal lands - but it was so one sided where there were hostilities that it was hardly a war.

And in many places the aboriginal people accepted the newcomers as friends......

Guns have only ever been used for hunting or for war outside our boundaries.

We don't even habe a "wild-west" gunslingers history.

Our wild west was just not like that.

We had "bushrangers" who robbed at gunpoint, but even those reports rarely involved people actually using guns.

The point I was trying to get to is that the culture and heritage surrounding guns is different here to what it is in the US...... but few US people even try to understand that.

In fact, the culture here is different in many ways, but the number of US missionaries who come here and think they can just plant bible belt 'merica here is amazing.

Different culture folks.

 

But I am still glad I live in a place where I don't feel it necessary to arm myself.

And I am sorry for those who feel they have to.

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Just a thought on living in 'dangerous places'... I live in a pretty safe community (for a city), in a quiet part of the world. Maybe it's because I'm a woman alone, but I feel the need to have a means of protection wherever I am - home, countryside or city. If in the city, it's because of the people. If the country, wild animals or people. And people are everywhere - no matter where you live. Bevauss you never know which one will turn out to be a threat. 

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Haha... not really. Long guns are legal to carry, but I wouldn't want to test the theory in town. :-P They're useful to have on hand for home and the country, though. (I take one when I'm out camping alone.) We're not even supposed to use pepper spray on people. That being said... if I happen to be carrying dog spray, and a two-legged one happens to bother me, well... ;-)

The big issue here is self-defense. If you use any weapon in self-defense, you'll be in trouble. Gov seems to think that police will always be around to help when you need them. Nice wishful thinking in a country this size. Still, what is it they say? Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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5 minutes ago, Salyan said:

Haha... not really. Long guns are legal to carry, but I wouldn't want to test the theory in town. :-P They're useful to have on hand for home and the country, though. (I take one when I'm out camping alone.) We're not even supposed to use pepper spray on people. That being said... if I happen to be carrying dog spray, and a two-legged one happens to bother me, well... ;-)

The big issue here is self-defense. If you use any weapon in self-defense, you'll be in trouble. Gov seems to think that police will always be around to help when you need them. Nice wishful thinking in a country this size. Still, what is it they say? Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Absolutely

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5 hours ago, Invicta said:

Yes, guns have killed many Americans, and not only in wars.  

I am happy living in England and far prefer that to a land which worshipos guns.

Guns don't kill, that's liberal speak.

England like America is a material society and both worship stuff more than they worship God.  

You Brits have lived under socialism for so long, most of you have no memory of individual liberties lost when the government took them over for you.

Our right to bear arms kept the tyrants at bay until the people turned from God and turned towards the devilish ideology of the tyrants without even realizing it.

DaveW:  American history seems to have been exported by Hollywood with regards to the wild west.  Far from accurate or true.  

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3 hours ago, heartstrings said:

Didn't you guys have a lot of "bush rangers"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushranger

Funny, but I thought I mentioned bushrangers in the post just before yours?

When you tour Fremantle prison, which was made into a tourist site in the early 2000's (I think), you hear about the bushrangers. Very few were imprisoned for murdering people.

The history shows that whilst they were armed robbers, they rarely fired upon people.

There are exceptions to that of course, but my actual point is that our history is very different to yours, and guns of any sort hold a very different place in our society than in yours.

If only you (generic you, not personal you) would recognise this you might have a chance of understanding.

And there is another point that Salyan brought up which is different there to here.

I go camping quite happily without a firearm because there are no animals here that will kill you in your sleep.

We don't have mountain lions, bears, or any other big bitey things here to protect from.

The biggest predator is the dingo, and he rarely deals with people at all. Aside from one baby (!?!?!?!?!), and a group of dingos on an island which are aggressive because tourist feed them and they expect it.

The only other dangerous things here are snakes and like most snakes, they would rather be left alone than chat with people. Oh, and a few spiders, but who shoots them anyway?????

Oh and crocs up north, but if you camp on ground level in those areas, you probably deserve to end up in a crocs belly..... there are plenty of signs warning about them but people ignore them and pay the price. And shooting them doesn't do much except make 'em angry.

There are places where I don't feel safe because of the people, but I don't camp there and wouldn't even if I had a gun.

I have thought about getting a rifle for sport, but I am not a hunter kinda guy, and if I want to shoot I can go to a range.

I could get a licence and firearm if I wanted.

 

I meant to add that if I went camping with Slayan and her friends, I think I would want a rifle with me. Bears unsettle me a bit......

(I am not anti gun at all, I just don't need one where I am.)

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9 hours ago, Salyan said:

Just a thought on living in 'dangerous places'... I live in a pretty safe community (for a city), in a quiet part of the world. Maybe it's because I'm a woman alone, but I feel the need to have a means of protection wherever I am - home, countryside or city. If in the city, it's because of the people. If the country, wild animals or people. And people are everywhere - no matter where you live. Because you never know which one will turn out to be a threat. 

Yeah, including in the home itself. A year or so ago I glanced through a report into the 1,000 or so incidents in the US that year (think it was 2015) where police had shot people dead. Gotta say it made me more sympathetic towards police over there, since although 1,000 a year sounds like a lot, most of the cases I read described police turning up to a call only to find that guns were already out and they or the public were being fired upon. Anyway, the second thing that occurred to me was just how many of these cases were domestic: a husband, wife or child grabbing the household weapon and going postal on their family and neighbours. Perhaps one cost of having a weapon in the home is how easily sudden insanity on the part of a family member can turn deadly.

About 20 years ago, a law was passed here in UK that meant paracetamol had to be sold in small quantities instead of the jumbo bottles of 1,000 pills that were common. Some described it as pointless over-regulation and although I'm not totally sold on that law change myself, I can see the logic. If someone at a low ebb suddenly decides to kill themselves, not having a deadly supply immediately within arms reach might buy enough time for them to get help instead.

My main point, though, is that there are areas--UK is one I believe--where violence, sexual assault, murder etc. is more often caused by family than stranger danger. Of course, you could argue that once you've got your sidearm, cannons on the roof and land mines in the garden then the only enemy left is bound to be within the home, but anyway just offering up these thoughts...

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On 3/21/2017 at 3:34 AM, DaveW said:

Did you not read my second post?

I am no fool - locking doors and locking cars is reasonable, but where I am I feel no need to arm myself for protection.

 

I AM GLAD THAT I LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE I DON'T FEEL I NEED TO ARM MYSELF.

 

I also feel sorry for you folks who live in places where you feel that you have to arm yourself.

 

Ask yourself - where would rather live?

In a place where you feel so threatened that you have to arm yourself, or in a place where you feel comfortable being unarmed?

I COULD ARM MYSELF IF I WISHED, but I don't feel it necessary.

 

 

 

Famous last words: "I live in an area I FEEL I don't need to arm myself". Hear this all the time before someone is raped or murdered in their own bed.

Crime was virtual unheard of in my area until a year ago when a group of thugs from out of the area went on a crime spree robbing two stores by gun point, breaking in a few homes and highjacking a car while murdering the owner in the process.

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1 minute ago, fastjav390 said:

Famous last words: "I live in an area I FEEL I don't need to arm myself". Hear this all the time before someone is raped or murdered in their own bed.

fastjav, I am somewhat of the same mind as you in reference to second amendment rights, the need to carry at appropriate times and the general perception of why this needs to be where I live.

But I also understand the reasoning of people like Dave W, who may actually live in places where these things are not an actual problem. I also recognize that there are places in the world that people can go about life in relative safety without the need for being armed.

Are there exceptions to this line of thought? Of course there are, but everyone has to determine their own exposure to danger and either prepare for it, or choose to not concern themselves with the perceived need for self defense, as they choose.

In my case I have always lived in areas that I have felt the need to carry for self defense, or protection from animal threats. the locations I have lived in all had their own distinct dangers. Many times these dangers overlapped, such as the need to defend against bad guys, as well as dangerous animals at the same time.

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