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Anderson isn't only hated by the world, but he is hated by the brethren. Why? IMO even if one disagrees with his stance on Israel or the rapture, you would have to see his love for the lost. What is the true measure of love? FWBC is winning like 100 per week, why would any christian want him to go away? 

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I and many don't hate Anderson but are not afraid to rebuke his false teachings. Anderson teaches homosexuals can't repent and be saved. This is contrary to the Bible (1 Corinthians 6:9-11). He denies things such as the Holocaust. His followers use profanity on a regular basis when someone disagrees with Anderson. Anderson gets into petty fights with people such as Sam Gipp. Anderson needs a good dose of Matthew 5:9-12, Matthew 5:38-48 and Galatians 5:22-24. They may say they save 100 per week but where is the fruit? In the Bible converts were added to the church. Saying a prayer doesn't save anyone if there is no belief in the words of that prayer.

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10 hours ago, Matthew24 said:

Anderson isn't only hated by the world, but he is hated by the brethren. Why? IMO even if one disagrees with his stance on Israel or the rapture, you would have to see his love for the lost. What is the true measure of love? FWBC is winning like 100 per week, why would any christian want him to go away? 

100 per week? That's great, how large is his church and how does he handle the 100 new people each week?

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Idk...I think he has 300-350 that come on sunday. Obviously,.most people that get saved dont automatically start coming to church and living a christian life.

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5 hours ago, Matthew24 said:

Idk...I think he has 300-350 that come on sunday. Obviously,.most people that get saved dont automatically start coming to church and living a christian life.

Then were they really saved to begin with?  Aren't we given a new heart with new desires?  Don't old things pass away?

Anyway, Anderson preaches many heresies and should be rebuked, marked and avoided.

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Last year they had around 20 - 30 regularly according to a man who was a member there until then.

They were claiming at that time to have seen around 20,000 people saved, but I don't know over how long.

This is first hand report from someone who was a member there.

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From friends that visited last year, they are averaging around 35. When it was mentioned that 100  souls saved per week I thought maybe they grew drastically. If only 1% of those was claimed to get saved came to church it would be 520 added each year. 35 each Sunday does not support the claim of 100 per week. 

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They may be winning 100 people per week but it doesn't look like they're baptizing 100 per week. Emmm Great Commission consist of going, winning, baptizing and teaching, not just the first two. 

I think another reason people don't like him is because of the false rumors he spreads about other good preachers. (i.e. Paul Chappell allowing transgender people in Lancaster's restroom)

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3 hours ago, BroMatt said:

After looking at the church website http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org they very well may be averaging well over the 35 I previously mentioned. 

Not according to the guy I was talking to recently (as mentioned above, a former active member.)

He also was very clear that one of tge reasons he left was that they get people to pray a "salvation prayer" within minutes of them knocking on the door.

Either they are very powerful witnesses, or they are among those who practice "quick prayerism".

The latter, if the man I was talking to is to be believed. 

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So I guess Anderson is supposed to force people to come to church, get baptized, and teach them. The numbers of people that truly get saved is irrelevant, the point is they are putting in the work that most are failing to do. Only criticism comes from the brethren and accusing them of not presenting the gospel correctly...like they just walk up quote john 3:16 and ask them to pray.

 

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I am sure not everyone that goes out is thorough with presenting the gospel, but that isnt because Anderson isnt teaching a thorough presentation. None of this is the reason that he is hated. I mean more than half of IFB preachers dont even go soul winning and I dont see anyone hating on them. It's really ridiculous. 

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You are obviously a fan.

Fact is that he presents his ministry as a big one when it is not as big as he presents it.

This is deceitful. 

Fact is, he attacks good men, and encourages his people to attack good men, and he/they do so without evidence and proof. I personally know of one man who has been called a false teacher publicly  (youtube) but the accusations against him are false.

Fact is, he often presents unbinlical arguments and attitudes to the wider public, thereby opening all independent baptists up to criticism.

Fact is, his attitude in general is not God honouring.

Fact is, of 20,000 claimed saved (over how long, I don't know) there shoild be more than 30 or so in evidence. Something is clearly going wrong in this "mighty work".

We are not talking a small discrepancy, but a VASTLY DISJOINTED representation. 20,000 to 30 or so in evidence?

This is aside from his clearly unbiblical doctrines in many areas, for which he should be censured.

So, deceitful, false doctrines, ungodly attitudes...... which of these should we overlook?

Now then, for my part, I rarely comment publicaly on this man, although I do warn my church people to avoid him, but that is part of my job.

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20 minutes ago, DaveW said:
53 minutes ago, DaveW said:

You are obviously a fan.

Fact is that he presents his ministry as a big one when it is not as big as he presents it.

This is deceitful. 

Fact is, he attacks good men, and encourages his people to attack good men, and he/they do so without evidence and proof. I personally know of one man who has been called a false teacher publicly  (youtube) but the accusations against him are false.

Fact is, he often presents unbinlical arguments and attitudes to the wider public, thereby opening all independent baptists up to criticism.

Fact is, his attitude in general is not God honouring.

Fact is, of 20,000 claimed saved (over how long, I don't know) there shoild be more than 30 or so in evidence. Something is clearly going wrong in this "mighty work".

We are not talking a small discrepancy, but a VASTLY DISJOINTED representation. 20,000 to 30 or so in evidence?

This is aside from his clearly unbiblical doctrines in many areas, for which he should be censured.

So, deceitful, false doctrines, ungodly attitudes...... which of these should we overlook?

Now then, for my part, I rarely comment publicaly on this man, although I do warn my church people to avoid him, but that is part of my job.

Youre correct I am a fan. I, like 1000's of others, was saved by his youtube videos. 

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22 hours ago, Matthew24 said:

 I mean more than half of IFB preachers dont even go soul winning 

That hasn't been the case with the ones I've personally known.

With over 9000 U.S. churches listed as IB and many of them having several preachers (you didn't say pastors) in them, who did the survey for this statistic?

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Yep, that really shows His love for the lost, that you spoke of in your opening post..........

You really should be careful about blindly following a man - any man........

You totally ignore any kind of criticism against him, accuse us of "hating him", which isn't true - many of here warn against him, but that is not the same as hating.

Hating is what he preaches in that video posted - and notably without any Scripture references in that portion - I don't know about the rest of the "message".

Hating is what moves him to viciously attack with false accusations against other Independent Baptist Preachers.

The Bible is absolutely plain that homosexuality is sinful, but it is also plain that like any other, those sinners need to trust Christ for salvation, and repent of that sin - and the other sins in their life.

And before you attack me for "adding repentance to salvation" or some other rubbish, note the order I stated it in......

 

There is a clear difference between what he does, which is full of hateful speech and could easily be characterised as brawling speech, and what someone like Lighthouse trails or David Cloud does.

They warn with evidence and proof against false teachers wherever they find them, but this guy rants with hateful speech.

 

There is nothing of humility about him. There is nothing of the love of God about him.

And his "love for the lost" only extends as far as what he deems to be the "worthy lost" - he condemns those he considers to be unworthy with the utmost hatred - as displayed in that video.

Is he all bad? No, I have his video defending the KJV - it is largely a good production, with good information.

But his bad doctrinal positions are well known.

His love for attention and controversy are well known.

The disconnect between his claims of people saved, and ANY level of like fruit points to deceitfulness. (20,000 'saved' over who knows how long, and a church of easily less than 100 if you examine that video above.) Even if these people had gone to different churches rather than to his, there should be a boom in church attendance in the region, and there just isn't.

Just be careful about putting any man on a pedestal - and this man is rightly to be criticised.

 

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Watching that video, the things that Anderson is complaining about I cannot help but think that the Lord is allowing his enemies to chasten Anderson and his men.  He does much violence to 1 Timothy Chapter 3.

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Here is my thoughts on the matter. Steve Anderson is a pastor of a church that I'm not a member of, so for me, what he does in his NT local church is really none of my business. He has to give an answer to God someday. Now if someone wants to talk about doctrine, I'll talk doctrine by comparing Scripture. 

Do I think Anderson sees out attention, yes. Do I think I could ever be part of his church? No. Do I think sometimes he goes overboard and purposely try to be controversial? Yes.

These are things he had to answer to God something for. I have enough to worry about in my NT church, and  I don't have the time to worry about what is going on in his church.

Posted from my phone, so my apologies if something does not make sense. ?

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This man has:
• Spread blatant false witness against multiple brethren
• Cursed people
• Desired for people to burn in hell
• Handled truth deceitfully
• Sown discord among brethren
• Stirred up strife
• Caused contention
• Caused division in churches
• Slandered and Libeled men of God
• Preached presumptions

>> I have video evidence for many of the above, and I have written or image evidence of all others, and I also have a multitude of testimonies from many other brethren who will attest to the same.

I can prove what I am saying.

That list is pretty serious, and every one of them is easily proven true. Some of those things are abominations to God. In fact, in the OT God calls for the death of those who are guilty of at least one of them.

Anderson is not a blameless man of God who sincerely preaches the truth. 

He is a deceiver and the truth is not in that man.

Nevertheless, I do not hate the man. I stand strongly against his evil works, but I do not hate the man.

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On 7/31/2017 at 7:12 PM, Matthew24 said:

So I guess Anderson is supposed to force people to come to church, get baptized, and teach them. The numbers of people that truly get saved is irrelevant, the point is they are putting in the work that most are failing to do. Only criticism comes from the brethren and accusing them of not presenting the gospel correctly...like they just walk up quote john 3:16 and ask them to pray.

 

 

They may be putting in some work, but based on the manifestions in his life, it's the work of the flesh. He can do more damage to the kingdom by false conversions than if he would just stay home and do nothing at all.

 

How many two-fold children of hell might be running around because they prayed a prayer and were told they were saved. At 100 per week from just one man, I fear the answer to that question.

 

Matthew 23:13, 15, 27-28

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

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I listed my reasons for why I mark Anderson and avoid him. He is not a blameless man of God. He is a deceiver.

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On 7/31/2017 at 10:06 PM, Matthew24 said:

 

I'm glad to meet another fan. I've been saved for 20 years and had been a pretty lame Christian for most of that time. After watching After the Tribulation on YouTube nearly four years ago I have really grown. Since then I've been able to meet up with like-minded Believers and we go  soulwinning every Sunday. It's been great. If you're close by you should come to the soulwinning marathon in Jacksonville Florida this weekend, August 6th. I'll be there.

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