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Some months ago, I spilt a cup of coffee over my other (newer) laptop.  The lid was closed but the PC died straight away. I stood it on end and about 24 hrs later I tried it again and it worked for about 30 minutes then just died again,  I tried a number of times over that period but it did not work. Also tried my local repair man from time to time, but couldn't contact him This evening I plugged it in and it booted up.  It seemed to work but was very slow.  I have left it charging in the other room.  It may peck up  later. All my files are on it which I thought I had lost, I will have to back them up.

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It helps dry out electronics. When I dumped my iPhone in a bucket of water, I packed it in a plastic bag bag full of rice for a couple days – it came out the other end still working!

Course, I also had a piece of rice stuck in a port for the next couple years...

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21 minutes ago, Invicta said:

@No Nicolaitans Please can you tell me if one can get accents etc. on Lubuntu.  I do some emails to folk in France an haven't been able to do accents and that is considered to be a spelling error.

 

Sorry, I'm embarrassed to say this, but that's beyond my knowledge.

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4 minutes ago, No Nicolaitans said:

Sorry, I'm embarrassed to say this, but that's beyond my knowledge.

Thanks I suppose we all have our limits. What I have been doing is typing a word in google and if it finds it I copy it into the text. That is rather long winded.  It is a slow procedure anyway as my wife is the one who speaks French but doesn't use the computer, so she dictates it, I type it print it out and she corrects it. She used the PC back in the DOS days.  She used WordPerfect and printed out a list of all the codes, but gave up when windows came in and she had a major illness. and her computer died at the same time so she never used one again.  It was her that made me buy a computer in the first place, she was doing home tuition with a pupil who could not go to school and he had been bought a computer and she thought she ought to learn how to use one  to keep up with him.  That was before IBM brought out the first PC.

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15 minutes ago, Invicta said:

Thanks I suppose we all have our limits. What I have been doing is typing a word in google and if it finds it I copy it into the text. That is rather long winded.  It is a slow procedure anyway as my wife is the one who speaks French but doesn't use the computer, so she dictates it, I type it print it out and she corrects it. She used the PC back in the DOS days.  She used WordPerfect and printed out a list of all the codes, but gave up when windows came in and she had a major illness. and her computer died at the same time so she never used one again.  It was her that made me buy a computer in the first place, she was doing home tuition with a pupil who could not go to school and he had been bought a computer and she thought she ought to learn how to use one  to keep up with him.  That was before IBM brought out the first PC.

Don't know if this will help...or if it's easy to understand...

https://www.lawlessfrench.com/faq/type-accents/type-accents-in-linux/

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Thanks Bro,

I found the  character map and you can do it from there.  You have to  copy the character and paste them in as far as I can see.

the word I was tying to type was rentrée I can do it now, but it is rather long winded,

You can type in your text and add the accented characters and copy the whole passage.as I did in the above line.

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I found that pressing the ALT GR key with 4 gives € with 5 gives ½an d 6 gives ¾

I use all of those.

Also writer you can enter insert   -  special character and enter them from there  

I found this on the web but I couldn't find a keyboard configuration tool .

Compose is usually the answer. Your distro should have a keyboard configuration tool that enables you to designate a compose key: the Windows menu key (is that the name for the thing to the left of the right control?) is a good choice.
Then you have things like
Compose ^ e for ê
Compose 1 2 for ½
Compose + - for ±
The list is endless 
 

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2 hours ago, Invicta said:

I found that pressing the ALT GR key with 4 gives € with 5 gives ½an d 6 gives ¾

I use all of those.

Also writer you can enter insert   -  special character and enter them from there  

I found this on the web but I couldn't find a keyboard configuration tool .

Compose is usually the answer. Your distro should have a keyboard configuration tool that enables you to designate a compose key: the Windows menu key (is that the name for the thing to the left of the right control?) is a good choice.
Then you have things like
Compose ^ e for ê
Compose 1 2 for ½
Compose + - for ±
The list is endless 
 

Hmmm...not sure on a Great Britain keyboard layout. Sounds like that ALT GR key is already set for Compose? I'm not sure though, plus I'm not familiar with an ALT GR key...is that specific to the Great Britain keyboard?

Normally, the Windows key has the Windows icon on it. Some laptops don't have a Windows key. If that's your case, you should be able to designate any key as the Compose key...just choose one that you don't normally use.

You do have a keyboard configuration tool though. Look on the right side of your task bar and see if the letters GB (or the British flag) are showing. If either are there, you either left-click or right-click on it to bring up the tool's options for adding other layouts etc.

If GB or the flag isn't showing, I'll be back in a little bit to tell you how to add it onto your task bar. It's easy to do, but I'm not at a computer right now to double-check the procedure...

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Okay...if after reading my post above, you don't have either GB or the British flag showing on your task bar already, here are the steps to get it to show...

1. Right-click any empty space on your task bar.

2. In the window that appears, click Add / Remove Panel Items

3. In the window that appears, click the +Add button

4. In the window that appears, find and click Keyboard Layout Handler, then click the +Add button at the bottom of that window (there are also many other items here that can be added to the task bar)

That will add it to your task bar. The window from step 3 will still be open. If you want to move the Keyboard Layout Handler to a different position on your task bar, find it in the list of that window (it should be at the bottom). Click on it, then use the arrow keys of that window to move it where you'd like it.

Now, here is a link to a Lubuntu page showing how to designate your Compose key with the Keyboard Layout Handler. :14_relaxed:

http://lubuntu.me/tip-compose-key/

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Thanks Bro,

OK I have set the keyboard on the desktop.

Some instructions I have seen say use the right WIN key, but I have only one on the left.

The bottom row on my keyboard from the left, is

CTRL,  FN,   WIN,  ALT,  SPACE ,   ALT GR,  Next key is a box with 3 horizontal lines, CTRL.

I should have said it is SHIFT plus ALT GR,  plus the character SHIFT + ALT GR then 1 then 3 gives ⅓.  I never managed to find that on Windows.

 

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21 hours ago, No Nicolaitans said:

I don't recall ever seeing a Windows key on the right either, but there are pictures that I've just seen of it. I guess it depends on the manufacturer? I don't know. 

So are you all set up now then? 

I would like to change the compose key to the WIN key.  I had a page which told you how to do it, but I managed to close the page down while I was trying to follow the instructions

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1 hour ago, Invicta said:

I would like to change the compose key to the WIN key.  I had a page which told you how to do it, but I managed to close the page down while I was trying to follow the instructions

Okay, I think this will work...I hope! LOLOLOL!!!

1. Open the Keyboard Layout Handler (right-click on it)

2. In the space under Advanced setxkbmap Options, enter this...(you can copy and paste this code)...

compose:lwin

3. Then close that window.

I think you'll possibly have to reboot before it takes effect.

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Thanks bro,

I tried that and it didn't work. I tried rebooting to no avail. I also tried rwin and also just win but neither of those worked either. So I will just be happy with using SHIFT and ALT GR..

Do you know what the key Net  to the right CTRL is called and what it does, it is a box with 3 horizontal lines in it?  I looked on an old keyboard and it looks slightly different on that. That has an extra smaller box above making it look similar to a calculator with a curved arrow going from the bottom to the top box.

 

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10 hours ago, Invicta said:

Thanks bro,

I tried that and it didn't work. I tried rebooting to no avail. I also tried rwin and also just win but neither of those worked either. So I will just be happy with using SHIFT and ALT GR..

Do you know what the key Net  to the right CTRL is called and what it does, it is a box with 3 horizontal lines in it?  I looked on an old keyboard and it looks slightly different on that. That has an extra smaller box above making it look similar to a calculator with a curved arrow going from the bottom to the top box.

 

 

The key you're asking about is the "Menu" key that opens context menus...similar to using the right mouse button. Here's a more in-depth description of it...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu_key

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I Have never noticed it but if I had I probably would not have pressed it in case it did soemthing I didn't want it to.  

Some years ago I got Ubuntu on a PC magazine cover disk.  You could set it up to run from a DVD or install it on a PC or dual boot with Windows.  I tried the first and last.  Both seemed to work, but having done that I had no idea how to operate it, so I could only use the apps that came with it, Open Office etc.  But I did not know about drivers, for printer etc, or how to install extra sofware and had no one I could ask.  I tried looking on Linux Forums but it all seemed too technical for me, so I eventually gave up.  I just remembered I have  an old desktop running XP media edition, I was going to ditch it but may see if I can get Linux  running on that.  

 

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On 9/13/2017 at 11:26 AM, Invicta said:

I Have never noticed it but if I had I probably would not have pressed it in case it did soemthing I didn't want it to.  

Some years ago I got Ubuntu on a PC magazine cover disk.  You could set it up to run from a DVD or install it on a PC or dual boot with Windows.  I tried the first and last.  Both seemed to work, but having done that I had no idea how to operate it, so I could only use the apps that came with it, Open Office etc.  But I did not know about drivers, for printer etc, or how to install extra sofware and had no one I could ask.  I tried looking on Linux Forums but it all seemed too technical for me, so I eventually gave up.  I just remembered I have  an old desktop running XP media edition, I was going to ditch it but may see if I can get Linux  running on that.  

 

I tried to respond to this yesterday, but the forum wouldn't let me quote or post anything for some reason. I would say that the old computer can run Linux as long as the computer itself is still operational. There are many Linux operating systems that will work with that "era" of PCs. However, it seems like there has been a trend in Linux lately...Linux operating systems that require higher resources. They definitely look nice and pretty, but they require newer hardware to run decently. There are still plenty of Linux OSs that should work though...Lubuntu "should" work, but there are others that will work too.

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I can't try it yet as the output is DV and I gave my DV to HDMI cable to our church for connection to the Projector. I will try and borrow it back. 

It has 2 video ports but I don't have the drivers for them. I used my TV as the monitor.

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I would like to try the USB stick to boot on my revived laptop, but although it is set to boot from USB it doesn't.  It seems that some windows laptops from Win 8-10 expect a USB hard drive when boot from USB is set.  It seems I have to adjust the settings to Legacy or EFI or UEFI, but that is greyed out in the boot menu. Any Idea what I can do next,  I would like to access the files on my hard disk.  I would also like to use Linux on my newer laptop, Alternately can I network Linux with my Windows laptop?

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4 hours ago, Invicta said:

I would like to try the USB stick to boot on my revived laptop, but although it is set to boot from USB it doesn't.  It seems that some windows laptops from Win 8-10 expect a USB hard drive when boot from USB is set.  It seems I have to adjust the settings to Legacy or EFI or UEFI, but that is greyed out in the boot menu. Any Idea what I can do next,  I would like to access the files on my hard disk.  I would also like to use Linux on my newer laptop, Alternately can I network Linux with my Windows laptop?

If I remember correctly, the laptop is operating well again? Does anything else (like a mouse) work in the USB port? Just wondering if perhaps the USB port is still affected by the spill.

Other than that, I'm not too sure. I haven't tried booting Linux on our Windows 8 computer. You may know more about it than me, but I seem to remember reading that you have to turn "Secure Boot" off to be able to boot from the USB or CD/DVD drive. It's just a guess, but perhaps that's why those options are grayed out? In other words, I wonder if they aren't accessible unless Secure Boot is turned off.

There is something called Samba that people use to network between Linux and Windows. Unfortunately, I have no experience with it...from what I've read, you will need to install samba and system-config-samba

sudo apt-get install samba system-config-samba

That second package (system-config-samba) should give you a GUI to use.

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