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3 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Invicta,

Adam's son Seth, looked like Adam, there was a resemblance to his father. Many children look like their parent, this is not a change in man's nature i.e. being created in the image of God.  1Cor 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 

Mankind is created in the image of God. Just because a son looks like his father does not mean his nature is changed. Man is not an animal. The birth of Seth was a natural birth, nothing new was created here. Adam was a new creation. Birth and creation are different.

Thank you brother Jim.  I will try to remember that.   

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On 11/22/2017 at 6:51 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

Invicta,

Adam's son Seth, looked like Adam, there was a resemblance to his father. Many children look like their parent, this is not a change in man's nature i.e. being created in the image of God.  1Cor 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 

Mankind is created in the image of God. Just because a son looks like his father does not mean his nature is changed. Man is not an animal. The birth of Seth was a natural birth, nothing new was created here. Adam was a new creation. Birth and creation are different.

To Invicta,

I am very concerned with your teachings, as they can mislead those who are not mature in the Word and drink milk only.

I wholeheartedly agree with Bro Jim. Invicta, you're thinking carnally when you misinterpret the word "image". When God shelters us under his wings, does that mean that he has literal wings and they flap? Is Jesus really a door with a knob and hinges? Jim's post make a lot of sense because Adam was actually referred to as "The Son of God". Jesus was the Second Adam, The Sinless Son of God. Sinless means that He was not capable of sinning.

Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. (Luke 3:37,38)

Adam being referred to as the "Son of God" in the genealogy means that Adam was made in God's image. Adam has a conscious of his existence. An owl doesn't say to itself, "I think, therefore I am". A deer doesn't ponder what happens when it dies? A tiger cannot be guilty of murder if it eats a goat in a prey. Because they are not made in God's image, man is.

God "The Father" has no literal image. He is invisible.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (Colossians 1:14,15)

If Jesus is in the "IMAGE" of the "INVISIBLE" God, how then can the word image be literal? 

And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. (Revelation 4:3) This is referring to God the Father.

The book of Revelation has to be carefully interpreted according to its context. Jasper in those times refers to a crystalline stone, like a Diamond. The more clear and translucent a diamond is, the more costly. It is referring to the absolute purity and holiness of God, and His Majesty and Glory. Also notice that the book of Revelation only mentions ONE throne, but BOTH the Father and the Son is seated on it.

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. (Revelation 22:3,4)

"The" Throne, which is a definite article -- one throne. The throne which has God and the Lamb (2 people), and it switches to serve HIM in the same verse. HIM is not two, but one, yet two are on the throne. It doesn't say...see THEIR face, it says see HIS face. When you see the face of God in Eternity, it will be the face of Jesus Christ Himself. The Father's Glory will shine through Him, and the Holy Spirit will dwell in us all.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. (Revelation 21:23)

Do you see in that verse how they are ONE in absolute essence and Being?

Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. (John 14:11)

Hope this helps Invicta!

God Bless,

Daniel

 

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Chapter 9

The Relation of the Spirit World

to the Natural World

In this chapter Clarence Larkin explains the relationship, and harmony, of the work of the Lord Jesus in the Old Testament dispensation, and the ministry of the angels. There is no chart for this chapter nor does Larkin refer to another chart in the book. I feel that this chapter has a wealth of spiritual guidance for the saints and will help us understand our relationship with the work of the Lord in our lives for protection, guidance, and instruction.

The Fall of the Walls of Jericho in Joshua 6:1-27

The fall of the walls of Jericho by the leadership of Joshua, and the obedience of the armies of Israel, and the long blast of the horns by the priests and the shouting of the people at the proper moment, is a unique story that has not been repeated since that time. Larkin adequately shows that the natural explanations put forth by men: an earthquake, or a “concussion” caused by the shouting, or the blare of the trumpets, at the exact moment of the fall of the walls, are not correct and that only a spiritual explanation is the only logical, and correct, explanation.

Larkin explains that Joshua was ordered by, “… the captain of the host of the LORD ...”Joshua 5:14 to follow the plan of battle that was accomplished in Joshua 6:1-27 Due to their complete obedience, the Captain of the host of the LORD, and the angelic hosts, actually was the cause of the walls of Jericho falling down.

Larkin explains (Exodus 3:1-6 along with Joshua 6:15), that the Captain of the Host of the Lord, was the Lord Jesus Christ before His incarnation.

Larkin then explains that the situation is the same as the battle at the “Mulberry Trees” with David and the Philistines in 1 Chronicles 14:13-17

The Star of Bethlehem

Matthew 2:9

Larkin re-accounts the story of the wise men from “the east” in search of the “King of the Jews,” Matthew 2:1-18

Larkin recounts the various explanations of the star: that it was a special star, or a comet, or a meteor, or a conjunction of three stars or planets. Larkin give a adequate explanation that the motions of the star clearly indicates that it could be none of these natural occurring phenomenons of the natural world.

Larkin explains that the 'star' “went before them,” then disappeared, and then “stood” over the house, Luke 2:9 & 10, where the Lord Jesus was then living.

Please take careful note. The Lord Jesus was a young child at this time, was not in a stable but in a house. Matthew 2:9-11, “When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, frankincense, and myrrh.”

Larkin states that the 'star' was an angel who assumed the form of a star.

“Star Our of Jacob”

Numbers 24:15-17

Larkin references the reader to Numbers 24:15-17 and to Revelation 9:1

The Ministry of Angels

Larkin gives an overview of the ministry of angels protecting those who will be heirs of salvation, Hebrews 1:13-14 and the physical protection of the nation of Israel: 2 Kings 19:32-36

Larkin gives numerous examples from the book of Genesis to the book of Revelation. Here is a list of scriptures that Larkin uses as examples. I will list them according to Larkin's order.

  • Hebrews 1:13-14

  • Psalm 91:11-12

  • Genesis 3:24

  • Genesis 19:1-29

  • Genesis 28:10-19

  • 1 Kings 19:4-8

  • 2 Kings 6:13-18

  • 2 Kings 19:32-36

  • Daniel 6:19-22

  • Matthew 2:13 & 19

  • Matthew 4:11

  • Luke 22:43

  • Acts 5:19; 12:5-10

  • Acts 27:21-24

  • Matthew 24:31

  • Matthew 13:47-50

  • 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8

Besides the proceeding thoughts that Larkin brings out, I feel that the last sentence in this chapter will be a spiritual blessing to all of us. Larkin states, “Lastly, as the heavens are peopled with the “Principalities and Powers of Evil,”and Paradise the abode of the “Righteous Dead” is now in the “Third Heaven,” we shall need the convoy of “Good Angels” as a bodyguard to protect us from these evil and malicious Spirits, when at death our Soul takes its flight to Paradise.”i

 

 

i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 81

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Clarence Larkin said, “Lastly, as the heavens are peopled with the “Principalities and Powers of Evil,”and Paradise the abode of the “Righteous Dead” is now in the “Third Heaven,” we shall need the convoy of “Good Angels” as a bodyguard to protect us from these evil and malicious Spirits, when at death our Soul takes its flight to Paradise.”1

Larkin was referring to, but he did not reference the passage, Luke 16:22

In Luke 16:22 we read of Lazarus being carried, after his death, to 'Abraham's bosom.' “And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried.”

At this time, 'Abraham's bosom,' is heaven; in the presence of God, the Lord Jesus, and the saints. When a saint dies, his soul is immediately in the Spirit and he is escorted into the presence of the Lord Jesus in the accompaniment of the angels as Lazarus was carried into 'Abraham's bosom.'

I like how John Bunyan, in Pilgrim's Progress, when Christian and Hopeful were about to cross the 'River' into the 'Celestial city,' said, “Then I saw in my dream that Christian was in a muse a while; to whom also Hopeful added this word, 'Be of good cheer, Jesus Christ maketh thee whole.' And with that, Christian brake out with a loud voice, 'Oh I see him again! And he tells me, When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee, and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee.' Then they both took courage, and the enemy was after that as still as a stone, until they were gone over. Christian therefore presently found ground to stand upon; and so it followed that the rest of the River was but shallow. Thus they got over. Now upon the bank of the River, on the other side, they saw the two shining men again who there waited for them. Wherefore being come up out of the river they saluted them, saying, 'We are ministering Spirits, sent forth to minister for those that shall be heirs of salvation.' Thus they went along towards the Gate; now you must note that the City stood upon a mighty hill, but the pilgrims went up that hill with ease, because they had these two men to lead them up by the arms; also they had left their mortal garments behind them in the River: for though they went in with them, they came out without them. They therefore went up here with with much agility and speed, though the foundation upon which the City was framed was higher than the clouds. They therefore went up through the regions of the air, sweetly talking as they went, being comforted because they safely got over the River, and had such glorious companions to attend them. … and when you come there you shall have white robes given you, and your walk and talk shall be every day with the King, even all the days of eternity.”2

1 Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 81

2 Bunyan, John The Pilgrim's Progress, (Baltimore: Penguin Books, n.d.,), 199-200.

 

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Thanks for continuing to share Bro Alan. I was watching the History channel and some "scholar" of quackery suggested that the Star of Bethlehem was a UFO. I couldn't stop laughing. The only thing behind these UFO's are demonic beings, and the Prince of the power of the air (i.e., Satan) is running the show. The word "air" literally refers to the atmospheric heaven, and sometimes the cosmic heaven. Paul even further stated that the "mystery of iniquity" was already at work in his time. Satan is called the god of this world because the majority of this world is in darkness and love to live knee deep in sin, or more. Moving on...I recall a Christian woman at work whose Mother was about to pass away. She stood by her mother's side until she passed. But before she passed, she saw angels ready to accompany her to God's Kingdom. God is the God of ALL comfort (2 Cor.1:3). If you're having a feeling of dread and an ominous abode, you're more than likely without God. I believe in my heart of hearts that it will be the smoothest transition from physical death to being in the Presence of God if you are truly a blood bought Christian. You WILL see angels, and they WILL accompany you to God's Eternal Kingdom. What can be more elating than that? Some agnostics and atheists believe that the word "death" refers to annihilation or complete cessation of life, but they could not be further from the truth. Death simply means "separation" from something from which it belongs. The body without the spirit is "dead" (James 2:26). Faith without works is "dead" (James 2:17). Maranatha!

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Chapter 10

“Man's Relation to the Spirit-world”

The Tabernacle

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page 82

Larkin begins this chapter with this statement, “Man is his physical and spiritual makeup, was made for two worlds, the Physical and the Spirit world.”i Larkin then quotes 1 Thessalonians 5:23 and Hebrews 4:12 in order to show that man is a 'trinity.' Then Larkin states, “From these references we see that man is a Trinity, and is composed of “Body,” “Soul,” and “Spirit.” Man was made in the “Image of God” and God is a Trinity.ii

 

Afterwards, Larkin gives a general description of the Tabernacle and then begins to state, “The Tabernacle and its courtyard is a type of the “Threefold Nature of Man. The “Courtyard”represents his Body, the “Holy Place” his soul, and the “Most Holy Place,” his Spirit, and as there could be no communication between a man's Body and Spirit only through his soul.”iii The following chart helps explain his teaching.

The Threefold Nature of Man

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page 84

Larkin states that, “The outer circle stands for the “Body” of man, middle for the “Soul,” and the inner for the “Spirit,” or what Paul calls the “CARNAL” (1 Cor.3:1-3); the “NATURAL” (1 Cor. 2:14); and the “SPIRITUAL” (1 Cor. 3:1), parts of man.”iv Larkin then proceeds to explain the various notations on the chart in relationship with the three parts of man.

 

In this overview, we will concentrate on the “Spirit” of man. Larkin states that until a person is regenerated, his 'spirit' is darkened and only the Holy Spirit can give an individual “Life” and “Light.”

 

Concerning the story of the rich man in hell and the Lazarus, Larkin goes into good detail in his explanation that it was the soul of both men were able to have the same experiences of taste, feeling, speech, seeing, and remembering. Larkin then states, “This proves that there is no break, as “Soul Sleep,” in the Continuity of Existence, or Consciousness, in passing from the “Earth-Life” to the “Spirit-life.”v

The Underworld

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Larkin explains the destination of the righteous dead, the destination of the unrighteous, as depicted in the chart on the Underworld. In his explanation, Larkin's main passage is Luke 16:19-31

In his explanation of the chart, Larkin references, with very brief explanations, the following passages (the order of the passages are Larkin's): Revelation 1:18, Matthew 27:53-53, 2 Corinthians 12:1-4, Philippians 1:23, 2 Corinthians 5:8, and 1 Thessalonians 4:14

Please note that Larkin references some other passages concerning the spirit world in the chart.

i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 83

ii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 83

iii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 85

iv Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 85

v Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 87

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Tartarus is a literal place and the demon possessed men and women who really run this world know that it is. You can even find its location in Google Earth. Sounds funny? It is located not too far off from land, and it's in the ocean. What's interesting is that Jesus cast the legion of demons out of the demoniac of Gadarenes, and they went off of a cliff and into the waters. Could this be Tartarus? I recall a demon possessed man on another bible forum who actually drew a map of where he came from. It included caves and underground bases where unclean spirits can access our realm through portals. When I was young, I would see literal portals that would swirl on my bedroom ceiling, and it literally felt like something was trying to pull me in. The entire area within the portal would actually twist. Dark entities, remote controlled cars moving without batteries, things flying off the shelves, and other supernatural occurences would happen.

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I don't think spirits need any holes to get through.  Satan is prince of the power of the air.  His servants will be able to use that medium.

  • Ephesians 2:2  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.

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They are spiritual portals that can manifest and sometimes can be seen when it enters our realm. What's interesting about the demoniac of Gadarenes is that he was possessed by a "legion" of demons, which is why the demons said "we are many". A legion is in the thousands. If Jesus can save a man possessed by thousands of demons, He can save any and all who will come to Him in repentance and faith; even the most wicked.

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I'm about to leave to do some missionary work in a few hours today, so I'll try to explain this as simply as I can. A little caveat, please don't take this as biblically accurate, and I am not being dogmatic about it. An analogy would be like angels, who are "spirits" and yet they can appear in human form when they enter our dimension, or our Earthly realm. All things in the spiritual realm are eternal (2 Cor.4:18). Your soul is unseen, therefore it's eternal. This verse alone refutes the Annihilation false doctrine. I'm taking a guess that our soul occupies the same spatial area as our body, but in another dimension, that's why it cannot be seen.

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10 hours ago, Alan said:

Afterwards, Larkin gives a general description of the Tabernacle and then begins to state, “The Tabernacle and its courtyard is a type of the “Threefold Nature of Man. The “Courtyard”represents his Body, the “Holy Place” his soul, and the “Most Holy Place,” his Spirit, and as there could be no communication between a man's Body and Spirit only through his soul.”iii The following chart helps explain his teaching.

Please take careful note. Larkin clearly states that his chart on, "The Threefold Nature of Man," that his chart, which includes the portholes, only "represents" the entrance to the various senses, etc...

 

10 hours ago, Alan said:

“The outer circle stands

And, the Larkin states, "... stands for..." if you look at the charts carefully he states that these port holes 'stand for' and 'represents' the physical attributes of man (sight, smell, taste, hearing, taste and touch. And, imagination, conscience, memory, reason, and affections, are our natural attributes. And the inner port hole stands for our our spirit attributes; faith, hope, reverence, prayer and worship. 

And, in the, 'Underworld' chart, and comments section, Larkin did  not comment on the activities of demons in the earthly realm.

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I'm not sure where Larkin gets his info on the port holes. Where in scripture is this found in? As for I, I am not being dogmatic on port holes, I just know what I've experienced. Sure, experience is not a validation of scripture but it does give some credence, such as our experience with our walk with the Lord. I have probably experienced the spirit world at work more than most people. I have, with my own eyes (no hallucinations, auditory or visual) seen entities coming through portals. I believe these to be interdimensional gateways. The book of Revelation mentions fallen angels that are "bound" in the great river Euphrates (Rev.9:14), this is more likely a portal. By the way, I am not throwing away the baby with the bathwater, and I know that Larkin has some valuable info on the spirit world, but some of what he says cannot be found in the Bible, unless I'm just tired (no sleep last night, handing out food and ministry work). But I did do some research and found no correlation between the physical attributes of man and portals. Larkin and I must be speaking of two different types of portals.

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6 hours ago, (Omega) said:

Larkin and I must be speaking of two different types of portals.

This appears to be the case.

I am working on the overview of Chapter 11, "Soul sleep."

I do appreciate the fine spirit in this study and do hope that the lessons and discussions are fruitful to our lives.

Alan

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                                                                                                                                                                       Chapter 11
                                                                                                                                                                       Soul Sleep
In the chapter Larkin is primarily refuting the doctrine of “Soul Sleep.” Larkin does not say which religious denominations teach “soul sleep.” For our information, I will add that the two most well known religious denominations that teach some form of “soul sleep” are the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventists.

His first paragraph sets the tone  when he states, “The word “Dead” as used in the Scriptures does not always apply to the body. The unregenerate are spoken of as dead. “And you hath he quickened who were dead in trespasses and sins.” Eph. 2:1”i

Larkin further explains the difference between physically dead and spiritually dead by referring to Luke 15:24, “For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.”  And, 1 Timothy 5:6, “But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.” 

Larkin gives a good overview of the death of Lazarus, John 11:11-14, and the saints who were resurrected after the resurrection of Christ, Matthew 27:52, to give actual examples of when a saint dies he is 'asleep' but his body is 'dead.'Matthew 27:52, “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.” 

As another example to prove conclusively that it is the body that dies at death, and not the soul, Larkin states, “In Acts 7:54-60, we have the account of the death of Stephen, in which we are told that Stephen as a result of the stoning he received “fell asleep,” that is, he died. But the words  “fell asleep” cannot mean that Stephen's soul passed into a state of unconsciousness, for in verse 55 we read that “Being full of the Holy Ghost, he looked up steadfastly into Heaven, and saw the 'Glory of God,' and JESUS standing on the right hand of God.” And in verse 59 we are told that Stephen in dying said - “Lord Jesus receive my “SPIRIT.”ii Larkin then gives the further example of the Lord Jesus in Luke 23:46, “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”The Spirit of the Lord Jesus was given to God at death and the body of the Lord Jesus was buried. 

As further examples that 'soul-sleep' is an incorrect belief, Larkin uses the example of King David (Acts 13:36) when he died that it was his 'body' that experienced corruption  and not his soul. Acts 13:36, “For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption.” 

Larkin then refers the reader to the example of the thief who died on the cross, and trusted in Christ as his Saviour, was given the express hope on a home in Paradise that same day:  “And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”  Luke 23:42 & 43 Larkin then discusses 1 Corinthians 15:20

I also would like to quote Larkin when he expresses this great hope of every saint, “While the bodies of Jesus and the Penitent Thief still hung on their respective crosses, their spirits were in communion in Paradise.”iii Dearly beloved brethren, Larkin is entirely correct. When a saint dies, at the moment of death, before anyone even realizes that he is dead, the soul is in Paradise - Heaven. 

Larkin proceeds with explaining that the most common biblical reasoning for teaching soul sleep is by Old Testament references. The denominations that teach soul sleep, for the most part, ignore the New Testament passages that clearly show consciousness, for the regenerate and for the unregenerate, after death.  After referencing the Old Testament passages that these denominations use, Larkin proceeds to clearly biblically prove that they do not teach 'soul sleep.'

Genesis 25:8, “Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, and old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.” 
Genesis 35:29, “And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.” 
Psalm 6:5, “For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?” 
Ecclesiastes 9:5, “For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” 
Ecclesiastes 9:10, “Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it will all thy might; for there is not work, nor device, nor knowledge, now wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”

Concerning the statement, “… and was gathered to his people ...” in Genesis 25:8 and 35:29, Larkin states the correct meaning of both verses, “What “Gathered to His People” means is, that the soul of Abraham went to the “Underworld” (Sheol), where the souls of his ancestors had gone, and where he would be united to them. The same additional statement is made of Isaac (Gen. 35:29), with the additional statement, “and his sons BURIED HIM.” thus showing that while his “soul” was “Gathered to his people” in the Underworld,” his body was buried in the “Cave at Machpelah. Gen.49:29-31” iv

Larkin further shows that this is the correct (and only logical), meaning by referencing Genesis 37:29-35

Larkin then proceeds to the same situation with Moses and Aaron. Both were 'gathered to his people' but their bodies were buried nowhere near their people: Numbers 20:23-29 and Deuteronomy 34:1-6. Therefore, the only conclusion is that their 'souls' were, 'gathered to his people.' Larkin brings out that the Lord Jesus stated that God is the God of the living; not of the dead. Mark 12:26 & 27

Larkin correctly states that the context of Psalm 6:5, Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 10, is clearly stating obvious temporal facts; not the consciousness of the soul after death. Larkin furthers states that Ecclesiastes is clear that it is the body that goes to the grave and the spirit that returns to God at death:  “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” Ecclesiastes 12:7

Larkin reviews the story of 1 Kings 17:17-23 and the raising of  son of the widow of Zarephath. 1 Kings 17:21 & 22,”And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.” The body of the child was dead but the soul of the child was alive and when the soul of the child came into the child again the child was alive.

Larkin finishes the lesson with the raising up of Jarius' daughter: Luke 8:49-56, “… Her SPIRIT came again.” The spirit of the daughter was alive and when God returned the spirit of the daughter to her body the body lived. Therefore, the spirit of the daughter never died; only her body died.

Throughout the study of 'soul sleep' Larkin biblically, and clearly, shows that this belief is totally erroneous. Larkin also gives the saint the profound biblical hope of being conscious in heaven after death. 

i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 90

ii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 92

iii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 93

iv Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 93

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When I fell 4 stories several years back, I blacked out because the pain was too excruciating. I ended up in the hospital a few moments later. When I had surgery, it took 8 hours at least to put metal plates and screws in my legs and ankles, but after the surgery was complete, it seemed like just 1 second. This is how the "Christian" cults believe it will be like in soul sleep. But there's a huge problem and scripture can easily refute it. It's sad that such "Pastors" such as Joyce Meyer believe in soul sleep. She said the word "To day" in Luke 23:43 did not mean that very same day. She misquotes, "Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise." She's essentially saying that Jesus was only telling the repentant thief that He was telling him today, he will be in paradise. Not as if Jesus was telling the thief that he will be in paradise today (that same day). Note where she adds the comma. That is very poor exegesis! It is found 10 times in the New Testament where the comma appears after "unto thee" (Matt.5:26; 6:2; 26:34; Mk.14:30; Lk.23:43; Jn.3:3,5,11; 13:38; 21:18). Why ONLY in Luke 23:43 would she change where the comma should be? She knows close to nothing with regards to biblical hermeneutics and interjects her own interpretation when the bible is explicit in its context. Furthermore, Paul says in Philippians 1:21, "For me to live is Christ, and to die is GAIN." Moreover, Paul says, "ABSENT from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord." (2 Cor.5:8). A close Christian friend of mine actually died and came back to life through prayer -- it was truly a miracle. And I can  assure anyone that he was indeed physically dead, in the coffin. He said IMMEDIATELY after he died, he saw a white light and a tunnel. And as he progressed further into the tunnel where the angels were (they were huge orbs, some gold, some silver, depending on rank, and can take human form) and there was an indescribable love that cannot be compared to here on Earth, and it was emanating from the orbs. But he said it was just like walking through a door, there was no lapse of consciousness whatsoever. I know experience does not equate to scripture, but it seems highly plausible that what he went through was most likely biblical. 

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On a side note: It can be absolutely proven that life exists after death. We are NOW living and breathing conscious beings and are aware of the present and the past. If we have no consciousness after death and/or are annihilated, then we would not be able to recall the past or the present because we have no consciousness at all because we don't exist. The very fact that we have a conscious NOW proves that we exist after death, otherwise we wouldn't be cognizant of anything in the here and now. Also, if we cease to exist after death, then what's to worry about? We're not going to say to ourselves, "I might go to hell" because we do not exist. A man or woman can murder a 100 people and then just take their own lives and it would make no bit of a difference at all to that person, because that person would face no consequences for their sins. Even if murdering 100 people would affect the lives of millions, ULTIMATELY, it wouldn't matter in the end because the end game would result in the destruction of the Universe and it will amount to nothing.

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6 hours ago, (Omega) said:

Furthermore, Paul says in Philippians 1:21, "For me to live is Christ, and to die is GAIN." Moreover, Paul says, "ABSENT from the body, and to be PRESENT with the Lord." (2 Cor.5:8).

Thank you for your testimony, the information concerning Joyce Meyer, and our 'consciousness'

The quote from Paul in Philippians 1:21and 2 Corinthians 5:8 is a special blessing and is a welcomed addition to the study on soul sleep.

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Larkin did an excellent job on this subject. The belief that we simply cease to exist at death rests entirely on a misunderstanding of Scripture, a total rejection that man has a spirit and taking Scripture out of context. This belief system goes hand in hand with a denial of a real hell. Both views are taught by JW's.

If there is no real hell and we just cease to exist at death, there is no point to redemption, or the need for it. If there is no need for redemption then there is no point or need for The Bible or its teaching that man is lost and undone and in need of a Savior. After all, if we just blink out of existence, what need is there for "Eternal Life"?

Needless to say, I really enjoyed this part of Larkin's study on the Spirit World. Thank you Alan for bringing out the points you did in your review.

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Bro Jim brings up a good point that there would be no point for Jesus' death on the Cross if their were no ramifications for the just and the unjust (1 Cor.15:16,17). As conscious beings that we are, it is impossible to think of non-existence after death. If we did not exist after death, we obviously wouldn't say, "I might not exist after death." As a living being that we are, and as a conscious being that we are; let us try to imagine non-existence after death. It seems impossible, because it's not true. The Word of God states that man became a "living" SOUL (Hebrew word nephesh; Gen.2:7) which means having a conscious, will, and emotions, etc.. The soul cannot cease to exist as the "Christian" cults such as JW's believe happens to unbelievers. They will counter argue citing Matthew 10:28, "...fear him which is able to DESTROY both SOUL and body in hell." The word for "destroy" is (apollumi) in the Greek, and it does not mean a state of non-existence. It means, "lost, or perishing"). If someone wrecked my car and said to me, "Sorry...your car is destroyed, I wrecked it.", does that mean that my car ceases to exist? and that there isn't even a scrap of metal left? Obviously not. It is in a state of utter ruin. All bodies will be resurrected and suited for Eternal Life or Eternal Punishment. It says it twice for emphasis by Jesus Himself that "their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched." (Mk.9:44,46). Worms, or maggots, feed on rotting flesh...now if their unregenerate resurrected body ceases to exist, what then do the worms feed on if the worms never die? It states that THEIR worm DIETH NOT. The worms never ceases to exist. And If their worm never ceases to exist, then the unregenerate resurrected body must also never cease to exist because the maggots would have to feed on something. Moreover, it's "their" worm that never dies. Jesus spake on hell more than he did on heaven, and that is because it is to warn us of the dangers and consequences of it, and because he loves us. All bodies will be resurrected (unregenerate and saved - Dan.12:2; Matt.25:46; Acts 24:14,15). In Daniel 12:2, the same word "everlasting" (olam) is used for "everlasting" life and "everlasting contempt", in the very SAME verse. The context is irrefutable. If everlasting contempt is not truly everlasting, then neither is life; but we know that's not the case. Atheists would argue the question, "what will life be like after we die? Nothing, it's the same as how you were before you were born." This is an erroneous  assumption. Before we existed, we had NO "conscious", but when God made mankind living souls, they were given a conscious. A very poor analogy on their part. We will live forever whether we like it or not. I recall several years back when I actually left my body,...don't know how it happened; but I saw my body sleeping on the bed, went outside and saw a package which was delivered to me. Now, I did not know it was there or had any idea when the package arrived, but when I awoke, the first thing I did was open my front door only to see the package on its side just as when I left my body. I also saw a tall figure that was all white and appeared to be glowing. I can't find this anywhere in the bible regarding this experience so I am uncertain as to why this happened. And lastly, God has placed the world or eternity in out hearts. (Ecc.3:11).

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I do appreciate the additional information, logic, spiritual reasoning, Biblical references of both Jim and Omega.

All through the scriptures, in both the Old and New Testament, and in all dispensations,  it is very obvious that the consequence of our sins, and the consequence of rejecting the salvation that God freely offers, immediately after death of the body, the soul of the unregenerate person, is in conscious torment, and will spend eternity in hell. 

And, all through the scriptures, in both the Old and New Testament, in all dispensations,  it is very obvious that the consequence of a person having faith in the salvation that God freely offers is immediately, after the death of the body, the soul of the regenerate  person, is in a conscious state of bliss: heaven.

Larkin clearly brought out that the belief, the doctrine, of 'soul sleep' is a falsehood.

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On 11/28/2017 at 4:32 AM, (Omega) said:

I'm about to leave to do some missionary work in a few hours today,

Maybe, if you feel led to do so, if you would like to tell us what kind of missionary work you do (I think home missions; among the homeless), please do so. As this thread is concerning an overview of Clarence Larkin's book, maybe you could start another thread concerning what you do?

Brethren,

I am working on Chapter 12, "The Intermediate State" and will upload soon.

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Chapter 12

The Intermediate Statement

Clarence Larkin relates that since it has been proven, by scripture, that “Soul Sleep” is an erroneous doctrine, that we need to know the “Intermediate State” of the soul after the death of the body and before the resurrection of the body.

Chart – Page 96

The Three States of Man”

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In the chart, “The Three States of Man,” whether saved or lost, are:

 

1. Present State: from the birth of the body to the death of the body.

2. Intermediate State: from the death of the body to the resurrection. Concerning the lost, we need to note that Larkin has a line, called, 'Souls of the “Wicked dead” going to the grave for their bodies” going from 'Hell' portion of the chart to the end of the 1000 year 'Resurrection Day' circle. In the chart, Larkin feels, due to the fact we do not have a resurrected body, our souls are in 'Paradise' which he has slightly under 'Heaven,' and which he calls, “The Upperworld.” Alan note: I am not in full agreement with this thought. I do not see an, “Upperworld” in the scriptures.

3. Future State: from the resurrection to 'Eternity.'

Larkin Divides the Intermediate State into Five Categories:

Category #1 “It is a State of Consciousness”

Larkin refers the reader to the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus in Luke 16:16-31. The bodies of the rich man, Lazarus,and Abraham, had all been buried. After the burial of their bodies, the soul of each individual was conscious, they could feel, thirst, talk, remember, see, and have the capacity to experience pain and comfort.

Larkin then refers to the reader to the promise of the Penitent thief on the Cross, the words of Paul in 2 Corinthians 5:6-9 and Philippians 1:21-24 and states that the promises of Paradise after death would have no meaning if the individual was not conscious. Alan note: Larkin feels that Paradise and Heaven are not entirely the same location until the righteous have been given their gloried bodies.

  • 2 Corinthians 5:6-9, “Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

  • Philippians 1:21-23, “For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.”

Note by Alan. The apostle Paul knew that after death the soul of the righteous was absent from the body, and in a conscious state with the Lord Jesus. I consider that since the Lord Jesus is in heaven, which I consider Paradise, than that we cannot, since the Resurrection of Christ, separate the two.

First Experiences After Death

Larkin gives seven thoughts concerning death. In my overview, I will give my thoughts on Larkin's fifth thought as I am not fully agreeing with him.

1. It will be light falling asleep and our 'Guardian Angel(s)' will convey us to paradise. Luke 16:22 and Hebrews 1:13-14

2. We will leave our earthly body behind with all of its weaknesses, sufferings, and limitations and we will have a body fitted for the spiritual realm.

3. We will be transported swiftly to our home and escorted by angels singing: Revelation 22:14

4. We will be in an environment of love without discord, lack of harmony and the chief characteristic will be HOLINESS (emphasis is Larkin's).

5. Larkin states, “Our fifth experience will be the feeling that we are near Jesus. If we do not actually see Him, we shall have the consciousness of His nearness.”i Note by Alan. I am confident that when Paul said, “...and to be present with the Lord.” and, “ ...and to be with Christ...” is very clear that we will be be within eyesight of the Lord Jesus.

6. We will experience being with the loved ones who are saved.

7. We will meet the saints who preceded us to heaven; including the Patriarchs and others.

Category # 2. It is a State of Rest

Larkin begins this section with quoting Job 3:17, “There the wicked cease from troubling; and there the weary be at rest.”

Revelation 6:9-11, “And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”

Concerning the martyred saints in Revelation 6:6-9, Larkin then proceeds to show that after the martyrdom of the saints in Revelation 6:9-11, they were given white robes to cover their “Soulish BODIES,” (emphasis is Larkin's). Larkin then sates, “Therefore we see that the state of the Righteous dead in the “Intermediate State” is that of consciousness, and that their “Soulish Body” is clothed, and that they are resting.”ii

Larkin comments on Revelation 14:13 and again shows conclusively that after the death of the body of the person who is righteous; they are conscious and in a state of rest. Revelation 14:13, “And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”

Larkin also brings to mind that the Christian has rest after the warfare, work and labor, in this life: Romans 7:15-25, Luke 9:14, and 2 Corinthians 5:10

Category # 3. It is a State of “Bliss”

Larkin refers the reader back to Revelation 14:13, “And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.” Larkin then states, “The word “blessed” means “happy,” then HAPPY will be the Righteous in Paradise. And as “happiness” is an emotion that demands consciousness to be experienced, the Righteous must be conscious in Paradise.”iii

Larkin then states that are bodies are 'asleep' and are waiting for the redemption of the 'body.' Romans 8:23, “And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.”

Category # 4. It is a State of “INCOMPLETENESS.”

Larkin states that the intermediate state is not the final state for either the wicked nor the righteous. Larkin states, “That is, we do not go immediately to “Heaven” or to the “Lake of Fire” when we die. We must first get our Resurrection body and be Judged before we can go to either place.iv Alan note: I am in partial agreement with this statement. After the death of the righteous and the unrighteous both can see and experience all of the spiritual realm that they are conscious in. After the judgment, the lost are cast into the lake of fire, and the saved still experience the glories of heaven but have been rewarded.

Category # 5. It is a State of HOPE.

Larkin uses John 3:5 and Hebrews 12:23 to express the thought that the new born are in a family. Some of the this family of believers are in Heaven (Paradise) and some on Earth. He states that the hope of both parts of this family is the “Blessed Hope” of the coming of Christ, Titus 2:11-14, in order for all to receive their glorified bodies. Larkin then quotes 1 Corinthians 15:55, “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

i Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 100

ii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 101

iii Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 102

iv Larkin, Clarence The Spirit World, (Glenside, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate), 1921, page 103

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The fact that the rich man mentioned in (Lk.16:19-31) could feel the torment in the flames suggests that there is an "interim body" before the resurrection at the Great White Throne judgement. And the "dead" will be resurrected and given a body suited for eternal torment in the Lake of Fire (Jn. 5:28,29). The torments of hell will continue in the Lake of Fire at the end of History (Rev.20:14).

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The story of the rich man in hell, and the multitudes of people with him, should urge us to spend more time in warning them and seeking the salvation of their souls  in order to escape the lake of fire after the judgment.

Larkin is clearly showing us that Hell is real and Heaven is real and that those who go to either place is conscious of his environment. Jude 22 & 23, “And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.”

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