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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:45 AM

Most people don't even know who Chavez is. Were it not for oil his little country wouldn't even be a thought.

Hitler was very popular among millions in America prior to World War Two. Even so, that didn't change the way FDR dealt with Hitler and it didn't prevent America from going to war in Europe.

The fact is, much of the money we spend on oil goes to support radical Islam. Much of the money we spend on oil supports anti-Israel and anti-American efforts around the globe. All of these are far worse than a few folks getting some oil from Chavez yet I don't see anyone working against this.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 05:35 PM

Everyday God hands gives me handouts on stuff I do not deserve.


Your right, but you know that isn't what I'm speaking of.

Many times on this board many have expressed their dislike for those who live off goverment hand outs. I believe John has expressed dislike for that.

Seems in part it would be many of these who would go for it.

But them I suppose many business men will probably go for it to, they figure they can make money off the handling charges. After all to them a dollar made is a dollar earned no matter where it comes from nor who. The almighty dollar rules the hearts of most Americas. Yes, for a few dollars, many in America would sign their soul over to the old devil.

Which reminds me, recently on E-Bay a man sold his soul at auction, never did get back to it and see how much money he made and or did it go through.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 07:04 PM

Most people don't even know who Chavez is. Were it not for oil his little country wouldn't even be a thought.

Hitler was very popular among millions in America prior to World War Two. Even so, that didn't change the way FDR dealt with Hitler and it didn't prevent America from going to war in Europe.

The fact is, much of the money we spend on oil goes to support radical Islam. Much of the money we spend on oil supports anti-Israel and anti-American efforts around the globe. All of these are far worse than a few folks getting some oil from Chavez yet I don't see anyone working against this.


John, do you take hand outs?


No.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 06:30 PM

Most people don't even know who Chavez is. Were it not for oil his little country wouldn't even be a thought.

Hitler was very popular among millions in America prior to World War Two. Even so, that didn't change the way FDR dealt with Hitler and it didn't prevent America from going to war in Europe.

The fact is, much of the money we spend on oil goes to support radical Islam. Much of the money we spend on oil supports anti-Israel and anti-American efforts around the globe. All of these are far worse than a few folks getting some oil from Chavez yet I don't see anyone working against this.


John, do you take hand outs?

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 07:20 AM

It's obvious why Chavez is doing this but it won't benefit him to any great degree.

Better to take his oil for free, so he gets no monetary profit from that oil, than to buy it from him (we still get much oil from Venezuala) or from the Arabs who use the money we pay for that oil to supply terrorists with money and weapons, to work against Israel, and to gain a stronger standing in the world against Christianity and America.

The sad fact is that America has allowed herself to become the servant of these nations. Rather than harvest an abundance of oil here in America so we are not their servants, we put forth restrictions so we can't produce enough oil for ourselves. In the process we help fund these radical nations who help fund anti-Israel forces, terrorists and anti-American efforts around the globe.

Whether buying it or accepting it for free, America has allowed these other countries to become the head and herself the tail.

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 06:55 AM

I didn't read the article because it takes the Fox News site several minutes to open on my computer.

What's the problem with them accepting free oil? What did they trade off?


Here ya go John:

New Hampshire to Accept Free Oil from Chavez
Friday, July 18, 2008

CONCORD, N.H ? Two years ago, New Hampshire refused to accept heating oil from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, the pro-Castro U.S. critic who once called President Bush "the devil." But with fuel prices rising, well, free oil is free oil.

With the state's blessing, New Hampshire residents will be receiving some of the fuel this winter.

New Hampshire becomes the last state in the Northeast to embrace the offer.

"A lot of people have said, `We need help and we value any help we can get,"' said Amy Ignatius, director of New Hampshire's office of energy and planning.

The oil giveaway will be managed by Citizens Energy, a nonprofit organization set up by former Massachusetts Rep. Joseph Kennedy to help the poor stay warm. But the state energy office plans to help Citizens publicize the aid and sign up fuel-oil dealers.

It is just the latest example of how rising oil prices have brought about an attitude adjustment in the U.S. Over the past few weeks, for instance, pressure has been growing in Washington and around the country to lift the federal ban on offshore drilling.

Back in 2006, when Chavez began offering free oil to Americans from Venezuela's government-controlled Citgo, New Hampshire's energy office contacted the Venezuelan Embassy about working out a deal.

But the idea galled some New Hampshire Republicans, including Sen. John Sununu, who called it a "disgrace" and an attempt at grandstanding by Chavez, and Democratic Gov. John Lynch squelched the effort.

This year, though, "the state's role is to make sure people are aware of the program," Lynch spokesman Colin Manning said.

Chavez's supporters defend the heating oil program as another example of a generous deed by a president leading a socialist revolution for the poor. Some Chavez critics have charged that he is trying to embarrass the Bush administration and curry favor with the American public.

But a lot has changed over the past two years. Back then, heating oil sold for about $2.50 per gallon in the Northeast. Last month, the average price was $4.61, with predictions of $5 per gallon oil by winter.

"The average tank is 250 to 275 gallons," Citizens spokeswoman Ashley Durmer said. "Filling it once is over $1,500. That is unfathomable that anyone can pay that price. If you have to fill the tank four times, it's going to be a devastating winter for a lot of people."

On Thursday, Sununu again criticized Chavez but said he has no problem with people or businesses accepting help from an independent nonprofit such as Citizens.

Sununu and other lawmakers around the Northeast are pressing for big increases in federal home heating aid. More than 6 million New England households rely on oil heat.

Bob Garside, president of the Oil Heat Council of New Hampshire, a trade group, predicted many of the state's 200 dealers will refuse to participate in the heating-oil giveaway. "In the past, it's been nothing but a ploy for Chavez," Garside said.

Bill Fuller, general manager of Fred Fuller Oil Co., disagreed. He began delivering fuel for Citizens last winter, when hundreds of New Hampshire residents who applied on their own, without state involvement, got 100 gallons free. Fuller said he plans to do it again.

"It's actually a pretty good program," he said. "We get a voucher. We fax it in and get money right away."



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Posted 19 July 2008 - 09:26 PM

I didn't read the article because it takes the Fox News site several minutes to open on my computer.

What's the problem with them accepting free oil? What did they trade off?


John, that ought to be easy for you to figure out.

That man is trying to under mind this nation, he detests America. He is not doing this for the good of America, he has his own agenda, its not for the good of this country.

But as I stated, many Americas would sell their soul out for a few dollars.

Tired, your right, this country is headed in a very dangerous direction. Of course no free nations has ever stood very long. Now our citizens wants something for nothing and they will fall for anything.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:54 PM

I didn't read the article because it takes the Fox News site several minutes to open on my computer.

What's the problem with them accepting free oil? What did they trade off?

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 04:31 PM

Yes, this shows me that the citizens of this country will embrace anything to make their life easier. When this country finally goes totally socialist and has a tyrant running this country the people will love it cause life will be easier for most of them. We have been indoctrinated over the past decades that the feds will take care of everything. Now this generation will embrace anything the fed wants just as long as their life is easy and they don't have to help anybody.

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Posted 19 July 2008 - 12:19 AM

New Hampshire to Accept Free Oil from Chavez

http://www.foxnews.c...,386361,00.html

I firmly believe many in America here in 2008 would literately sell their soul to the devil for a few dollars. This is the next thing to it.

It goes to show you what Americas values, the almighty dollar.

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 05:30 PM



Be the same thing as taking handouts from Hitler.



:amen: :goodpost:


If Hitler had of given hand out to the America people before the war, many might not have raised a hand against him.

NO, NO, the statement I made above is 100 % wrong, I feel bad about slandering the good people of America from those days.

Back them people in America were much different than they are now. This nation was full of true patriots in those days. Back them you nearly had to force people to take handouts. Now you can't stop them from wanting hand outs. But sad to say, in modern America its different. Patriotism is a thing of the past. Chavez knows this, therefore he has offered this free oil, because he knows it will make many American hearts grow warm for him. He knows there is more than one way to win. And with all of that oil money he has the money to buy the hearts of many Americas who will sell out for a few dollars.

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Posted 21 July 2008 - 05:53 AM

Be the same thing as taking handouts from Hitler.



:amen: :goodpost:

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 09:29 PM

It's obvious why Chavez is doing this but it won't benefit him to any great degree.

Better to take his oil for free, so he gets no monetary profit from that oil, than to buy it from him (we still get much oil from Venezuala) or from the Arabs who use the money we pay for that oil to supply terrorists with money and weapons, to work against Israel, and to gain a stronger standing in the world against Christianity and America.

The sad fact is that America has allowed herself to become the servant of these nations. Rather than harvest an abundance of oil here in America so we are not their servants, we put forth restrictions so we can't produce enough oil for ourselves. In the process we help fund these radical nations who help fund anti-Israel forces, terrorists and anti-American efforts around the globe.

Whether buying it or accepting it for free, America has allowed these other countries to become the head and herself the tail.


I disagree, it will make those who get this oil think highly of this man, he is trying to kelp his image with the America people, it will work, for to many American love money.

Be the same thing as taking handouts from Hitler.

Yes, this will cost America.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 09:00 AM

Everyday God hands gives me handouts on stuff I do not deserve.

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 08:17 AM

John, do you take hand outs?

No.

Do you think its good to take hand outs?

I can see this conversation taking a long time.

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Posted 22 July 2008 - 11:47 PM

Most people don't even know who Chavez is. Were it not for oil his little country wouldn't even be a thought.

Hitler was very popular among millions in America prior to World War Two. Even so, that didn't change the way FDR dealt with Hitler and it didn't prevent America from going to war in Europe.

The fact is, much of the money we spend on oil goes to support radical Islam. Much of the money we spend on oil supports anti-Israel and anti-American efforts around the globe. All of these are far worse than a few folks getting some oil from Chavez yet I don't see anyone working against this.


John, do you take hand outs?


No.


Do you think its good to take hand outs?

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Posted 23 July 2008 - 10:27 AM

If a person NEEDS a handout I have no problem with them accepting such. If my family were about to starve and someone brought us a bag full of groceries I would be thankful the Lord sent them to us.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 03:50 PM

Which reminds me, recently on E-Bay a man sold his soul at auction, never did get back to it and see how much money he made and or did it go through.


Perhaps it was his pet fish.

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 12:53 AM

If a person NEEDS a handout I have no problem with them accepting such. If my family were about to starve and someone brought us a bag full of groceries I would be thankful the Lord sent them to us.



Schwartz: Nukes in Cuba a 'red line'
Schwartz: Nukes in Cuba a 'Red Line'
July 23, 2008
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WASHINGTON - Russia would cross "a red line for the United States of America" if it were to base nuclear-capable bombers in Cuba, the nominee for Air Force chief of staff has warned.

"If they did I think we should stand strong and indicate that is something that crosses a threshold, crosses a red line for the United States of America," said Gen. Norton Schwartz.

He was referring to a Russian news report that said the military is thinking of flying long-range bombers to Cuba, and possibly establishing a base there.

The Russian news report comes only a day after Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, in Moscow to pursue weapons and energy deals, called for a strategic alliance with Russia to protect his country from the United States.

Chavez has repeatedly accused Washington of plotting an invasion to destabilize his government, despite U.S. denials.

The alliance would mean "we can guarantee Venezuela's sovereignty, which is now threatened by the United States," Chavez told reporters shortly after his arrival in Moscow.

Welcoming Chavez at Meiendorf Castle, his residence outside Moscow, President Dmitry Medvedev said Russian-Venezuelan relations "are one of the key factors of security in the (South American) region."

http://www.military.... ... ESRC=eb.nl

Do you really thing his offer to give free oil is really to help Americans? Its very clear what he thinks of America, and this free oil has an agenda behind it and its not for our good, but his. ]

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Posted 25 July 2008 - 08:17 PM

The issue with Russia is very complex. One has to consider how Bush has treated Russia in a rather derogatory manner during most of his presidency. Bush has also been pushing to get former Warsaw Pact and Soviet countries into NATO (an organzation that's purpose was to defend Western Europe from the Soviet Union; which no longer exists), and to place American weapons in some of these countries very close to Russia.

The Cuban missle crises ended with American removing missles from basis in Turkey because Russia didn't want them that close to her borders, and with Russia removing her missles from Cuba because America didn't want them that close to her borders.

What we see today is a modern day extention of this process.




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