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Could Barack Obama be the Antichrist?

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Almost a year ago, my wife and I were watching Jay Leno and I saw Barack Obama for the first time. I remember being blown away by the way he spoke. I really liked the guy. I turned to my wife and said, "You know, I'd vote for him. Then again, he'd make the perfect antichirst." That was before I knew he was going to run for president.

Of course, was basing my accusation solely on this ability to catch the attention of the masses. The only two things I knew about him was that he was a great speaker and he spoke at Rick Warren's Church. That didn't impress me much, because Rick Warren will let ANYONE speak at his Church.

Anyway, long story short... currently he is preaching against religion. In a video I saw he used principles in Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Matthew to show that being a "Christian" nation isn't the way to go. He said this is no longer a Christian nation, but a Buddhist Nation, a Hindu Nation, a Muslim nation, and so on...

The Bible says that the antichrist will not regard the God of his fathers or any God. It also says that he will think to change times and laws, and by peace he will destroy many. I know that books like Left Behind are not the most Biblically accurate books in the world, but I do believe the antichrist will be humanistic and charismatic as Left Behind and other end times novels and movies depict him to be.

Then again, there are certain principles that seem to push the other way. For example, the Bible says that the antichrist will have a desire for women. Obama is married, but that doesn't necessarily mean he desires women.

So, anyway.. your thoughts?

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The Bible teaches that the Antichrist will come out of Europe. That doesn't fit a US president.

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He's not Jewish or Roman, so no he cannot be the anti-christ.

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That's right, Jerry! The European Union (EU). And, the "false prophet" will come out of the Vatican. I am not going to place any guesses on who he might be?...Besides, all "true" born-again believers will be raptured out of here. :smile Thank the Lord! :bible::clap: :thumb

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Praise the Lord!
I believe the Lord is coming soon. Australia is really starting to decline. Even unsaved family members are beginning to see that what we have been warning them about for years is starting to happen. We are really praying for their salvation and using every oppurtunity we can get to witness to them. Even so come Lord Jesus! :clap: :amen:

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Hello...Lee-Anne! I am so happy to hear that about Australia! :clap: Unfortunetly, in the USA...we have some people who really want to fight the whole thing, for whatever reason. :sad

Yes...I believe the Lord is coming soon, too. When the last person on earth has heard the Gospel...He will come to Rapture us out of here. :thumb Then, we can all meet eachother. :amen:

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Yes...I believe the Lord is coming soon, too. When the last person on earth has heard the Gospel...He will come to Rapture us out of here.


:puzzled: Are you referring to this verse:

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The context of that verse is within the Tribulation period. That means that during those seven years the Gospel will go all through the world - but we will be gone before then. Of course, we should be doing what we can until that point to get the Gospel out - but we have no guarantee that we will get it everywhere (but God will during the Tribulation period - by the 144,000 Jewish evangelists and the angel that preaches the everlasting Gospel).

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Yes, that is the verse. So, the Lord will come before that time? This is where I get confused. :puzzled:

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Matthew 24 is dealing with the events within the Tribulation period; therefore that verse will be fulfilled in those seven years, not prior to them. When we compare that fact with Revelation 7 and 14, it makes perfect sense. The church is failing in its job of getting the Gospel out to the whole world - but the Lord will make sure it happens before He returns to judge the world/nations.

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Matthew 24 is dealing with the events within the Tribulation period; therefore that verse will be fulfilled in those seven years' date=' not prior to them. When we compare that fact with Revelation 7 and 14, it makes perfect sense. The church is failing in its job of getting the Gospel out to the whole world - but the Lord will make sure it happens before He returns to judge the world/nations.[/quote']

Thanks, Jerry! This clarifies a lot for me. I have never asked my pastor this question...and, if he went over it, it probably didn't sink in. Yes, it does make perfect sense...and, it is very sad, that the "church is failing in its job of getting the Gospel out to the world". :sad My heart breaks.

No need to answer this tonight...Jerry, but...during the Great Tribulation Period...that is the time for the Jews? Right? Is their any possibility that Gentiles will be saved, as the Holy Spirit will not be on earth? Any, possibility at all?

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Revelation 7:13-17 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

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Matthew 24 is dealing with the events within the Tribulation period; therefore that verse will be fulfilled in those seven years' date=' not prior to them. When we compare that fact with Revelation 7 and 14, it makes perfect sense. The church is failing in its job of getting the Gospel out to the whole world - but the Lord will make sure it happens before He returns to judge the world/nations.[/quote']
I'm sorry but I don't see that the Church is failing in it's call to get the gospel to the world. If anything the Gentile world is closing its "door" to the gospel. Which God affirms will take place here.
There will be no souls saved when the Church is removed as then the door will be shut by God just as God shut the doors to Noah's ark. Then came Wrath and no one was able to pry open the ark's door to gain safety from the flood. Remember, "As it was in the days of Noah".

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There will be no souls saved when the Church is removed as then the door will be shut by God just as God shut the doors to Noah's ark. Then came Wrath and no one was able to pry open the ark's door to gain safety from the flood. Remember, "As it was in the days of Noah".


Doesn't line up with the Bible. I just quoted Revelation 7. That shows 144,000 Jewish men getting saved after the rapture. Then the end of the chapter makes it VERY CLEAR that there will be people from all nations, etc. being saved. What 2 Thessalonians 2 teaches is that no one who knows the Gospel and rejects it prior to the rapture will be saved after the rapture - but it is a denial of the Word of God to teach no one will be saved. This passage also indicates there will be people saved then:

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

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I don't think the Antichrist will be apparent until after we are out of the way. We may know his name as a general political leader, but I think we will be clueless until the rapture. The rapture is going to have this world at a standstill....everything will be paralyzed...the antichrist will have to be able to get past that and unify the world, making everything work again, which will have people responding with respect and awe globally.

I honestly do not think we as Christians will be able to definitively say "That's the Antichrist".

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I agree - we cannot identify the individual until the events unfold (and Christians won't be here then); however, I believe we can glean general descriptions from the Word of God.

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I agree - we cannot identify the individual until the events unfold (and Christians won't be here then); however' date=' I believe we can glean general descriptions from the Word of God.[/quote']


Right...we can say pretty much according to the Bible that Obama doesn't fit....but we won't be able to say "So and so is going to be Antichrist" because we won't be here when it happens, to know for sure. I do not think the Antichrist is going to have his persuasive powers until after the Rapture, as I think Satan will not have full control of him until after the Holy Spirit is removed from the earth by way of Christians.

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Taking all the passages together, Satan does not possess/indwell the Antichrist until the midpoint of the Tribulation period (when he desecrates the temple).

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Taking all the passages together' date=' Satan does not possess/indwell the Antichrist until the midpoint of the Tribulation period (when he desecrates the temple).[/quote']

Oh yeah, that's right.

Anyway I know he's gonna be a really persuasive guy but he won't need those powers until after the rapture. Basically my point. :-)

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There are some passages in Daniel 8 and 11 that refer to his persuasive abilities. Definitely, what you call a "smooth talker."

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Doesn't line up with the Bible. I just quoted Revelation 7. That shows 144' date='000 Jewish men getting saved after the rapture. Then the end of the chapter makes it VERY CLEAR that there will be people from all nations, etc. being saved. What 2 Thessalonians 2 teaches is that no one who knows the Gospel and rejects it prior to the rapture will be saved after the rapture - [b']but it is a denial of the Word of God to teach no one will be saved. This passage also indicates there will be people saved then:
I will respect your view more if you would remove your ruler and try not to make scripture line up in a particular way. I am not a liar and I am not denying God's Word nor have I set your view in such disrespect. What have I denied? Have I denied the return of Christ? No! Have I denied that there is going to be a period of tribulation? No! Have I denied that there is going to be a resurrection before tribulation? Yes! However that denial is not of Scripture. There is no Scripture that unequivocally states that We shall be caught up before Tribulation or before the Antichrist is revealed. There is Scripture that states that we are saved from Wrath and with that I state that we will be taken up before Wrath comes. Tribulation is not wrath and there is no scripture that says Tribulation is Wrath. Therefore there will be a period that is The Tribulation of the Saints and then the Rapture of the Church, then the Wrath of God is poured out on an unrepentant World. Even though the Lord sends out an Angel to preach the everlasting Gospel, no one repents. Rev 14 - Rev 16.
IF the Church is taken then you must ask these questions. What is their Salvation based in? Works? Sight? It will not be by grace through faith. These People are saved by the message of the Church. The Great Tribulation is not The Wrath of God. It is Tribulation of the Saints. The Church goes trough it and is taken before Wrath is come.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
This is the commission of the Church.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld' date=' and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, [b']of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Yes, all converts during the Great Tribulation. Not out of Wrath.

Revelation 7:13-14 And one of the elders answered' date=' saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, [b']These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Significant of grace and faith.
2Thess 2:3-12
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The falling away is the Antichrist coming out of the Church. He can not come out of what has been taken away.
1John 2:18&19
18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
John also warns us of deceivers. 2John 1:7-11
7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

The war against the Saints comes to fruition in Jerusalem as the Antichrist faces off with the two witnesses. These two men represent the Old Testament of Jesus Christ and the New Testament of Jesus Christ. Revelation 11:3-19.
Note now that the World is rejoicing in their deaths. Rev 11:10 They are so happy that they are free from the God of the Bible that they give gifts. This would be the Worlds new Christmas but for what God does next. verse 11
10And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Victory is in Christ as the Holy Spirit raises them up. This is the dead in Christ raising first. Then comes the resurrection. verse 12
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven*. *However there is no record of them being saved.

Verses 14-19 takes place in Heaven and those 24 Elders are rejoicing because Wrath and judgment of God on the world is about to take place.
14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Note that the temple of God at the beginning of the chapter is in Jerusalem on the Earth and the Angel tells John to measure it. Now it is "opened in Heaven" in verse 19.
Fact is, we are the temple that is being talked of here.
1 Corinthians 3:16&17
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. The Antichrist is not defiling a temple at Jerusalem made of stone. He comes out of the Church and attempts to destroy the temple of which you and I are.
See also 1Cor 6:16

In all respect to you Jerry, I would appreciate that you would here-to-fore not accuse a fellow brother of denying Scripture just because he sees a different "line up" than you.

Your Brother in Christ;

Mel

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If you study Revelation, you will find it is a chronological account of what will happen during the end times. In chapter 3 or 4 (off the top of my head) John hears the voice of a trumpet and "Come up hither". Many theologians believe (and I agree) that this is actually the rapture, and thus begins John's account of things occuring after the rapture. "Come up hither" happens after the accounts of the churches in the final days...so it goes church age, then "come up hither/trumpet" then tribulation begins.

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If you study Revelation' date=' you will find it is a chronological account of what will happen during the end times. In chapter 3 or 4 (off the top of my head) John hears the voice of a trumpet and "Come up hither". Many theologians believe (and I agree) that this is actually the rapture, and thus begins John's account of things occuring after the rapture. "Come up hither" happens after the accounts of the churches in the final days...so it goes church age, then "come up hither/trumpet" then tribulation begins.[/quote']
Revelation 4
1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter. 2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

He was brought up to be shown what is about to be revealed to him. That is the context.

The context of being called up after the dead being raised is found in Revelation Chapter 11:11-13
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Again context is the raised dead being told with an audible voice to "Come up hither".

In John's case the context was for him to see future events.

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Everything John sees is what we will see, so why wouldn't his "come up hither" be ours as well?

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Chapter one makes it pretty clear that the letters to the seven churches constitute the church age - then what happens in chapter 4 on is after the church age.

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

the things which thou hast seen - the vision of Christ in chapter one.

the things which are - the seven churches - ie. the church age.

the things which shall be hereafter - The tribulation period, the Millenium, eternity.

Look at this verse:

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Chapters 4 and five are what is going on in Heaven just after the rapture. Chapters 6-19 describe the Tribulation period. Chapter 20 is the Millenium. Chapters 21-22 is eternity.

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Chapter one makes it pretty clear that the letters to the seven churches constitute the church age - then what happens in chapter 4 on is after the church age.

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

the things which thou hast seen - the vision of Christ in chapter one.

the things which are - the seven churches - ie. the church age.

the things which shall be hereafter - The tribulation period, the Millenium, eternity.

Look at this verse:

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafterContext, context, context.

Chapters 4 and five are what is going on in Heaven just after the rapture I am sorry, just where did it say that?. Chapters 6-19 describe the Tribulation periodAnd the period of the out pouring of the Wrath of God. Chapter 20 is the MilleniumAgreed. Chapters 21-22 is eternityAgain I agree.


Why is it convenient to throw out the Church after Chapter 3. Where is the word that tells us this is so. You are speculating this to be so. Show me where it is written that the Church is gone after Chapter 3. Chapter 4, in context, is to show John the things future. While I have shown that Chapter 11, in context, is a resurrection and a Calling up by the clouds after persecution in clear 1611 KJV English. Then Heaven is opened up showing that all are there in the image of the temple.

Aside from all of that, we have this;
Revelation 22:16-19
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The Word is telling us that the whole book is for us, not just certain chapters and verses but all of it.
These verses affirm that the whole book is to and for the Church(es), especially verse 16 should clear that up. For the life of me I do not understand why, God fearing men, do this to this book.

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