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Could Barack Obama be the Antichrist?

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The role? How about particulars? Is he part Jewish' date=' does he come out of Europe? I can't think of the others right now - but that is a start.[/quote']
Where does the Bible say he'd be Jewish or European. You've been reading too much Hal Lindsey.

I used to think the anti-christ would come from the Middle East, because i assumed that's the only way most people in the world would accept him as a religious leader, but Obama's visit to the Middle east and Europe has shown that not only does he have quite a bit of popularity, it's almsot fanatical popularilty. Look at this OpEd in the London Times...

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YIKES!!! :eek

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I read that earlier today. Isn't it supposed to be some kind of spoof?

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I read that earlier today. Isn't it supposed to be some kind of spoof?



Let's hope so...Bakers. :sad

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Both Daniel and Revelation teach specific information on the Antichrist and where he would come from. Revelation 13:1 states this:

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The sea represents the multitude of people that come out of the Middle East/Europe (and this is declared in Daniel 7, I think, where the symbol is explained).

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Where does the Bible say he'd be Jewish or European. You've been reading too much Hal Lindsey.


The "european" comes in part from this verse.

"Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The "prince that shall come" is a reference to the antichrist. We know that the Romans destroyed the temple, therefore in some way it would seem they are the "people" of the antichrist. That is also partly why many Christians(myself included) believe there will be some type of revived roman empire which may or may not actually be called that.

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The "european" comes in part from this verse.

"Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The "prince that shall come" is a reference to the antichrist. We know that the Romans destroyed the temple, therefore in some way it would seem they are the "people" of the antichrist. That is also partly why many Christians(myself included) believe there will be some type of revived roman empire which may or may not actually be called that.



:amen::goodpost: Seth.

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This passage teaches he will in some way come out of the area around the Mediterranean Sea:

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Daniel 7:2-3 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

The four empires are the Babylonian Empire, The Medo-Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, and the Roman Empire; therefore this endtimes Empire will also come out of the area of the Mediterranean Sea.

This verse shows the False Prophet will come out of another area altogether:

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

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Two men were traveling in the country, trying ot find a certain farm. They stopped and asked for directions and the local told them to travel down the road until they saw the sign that said Jones Dairy, then turn left. As they made their way down the road, though one of the man said, "What's a dairy sign look like?"

"All of the dairy signs I've seen are white."

"So we're looking for a white sign?"

"Yep, I guess so."

after a brief pause the first man then said, "Would it just be letters?"

"Nah," said the second, "Dairy signs almost always have a picture of a cow."

"You're right," said the first man, "So we're looking for a white sign with a picture of a cow."

They both looked hard out the window and as a large brown sign with yeallow letters that said "Jones Farm" whizzed by, they completely ignored it.

An hour later they both gave up, certain the local was pulling a joke on them.

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Prophecy is given for those experiencing the events, so they know that this is what God fortold. There were all kinds of speculations about Jesus birth, most of which were wrong. The religious scholars of the time were looking for a man of wealth and political power. When a poor man with a religious following appeared, they assumed He was a fraud, and crucified Him.

The kind of assumptions that Hal Lindsey and the rest of the Dispensationalist crowd has claimed are "true" are very misleading. Take as absolute, only what the Bble offers as absolute, and don't let speculation hide truth.

The absolutes are that a man will become powerful enough to become the political and religious leader of the world, but will use that power for evil. What I see so far in Barack Obama is a man willing to sacrifice family (accused his grandmother of being a racist when she expressed fear over a Black man harrassing her), friends (has denounced several friends he's ahd for decades once they became a political liability), faith (attended a blatantly ungoldly church and only left it when his involvement became a political liability), even his own children (demanded they be left out of the campaign, but drags them to every sleazy, tabloid show he is able to). People have been observing that his supporters behave like worshippers since the beginning of his campaign, and it's gotten worse since then. He was greeted with almost universal acceptance in the Middle East and in Europe (when's the last time any American politican was greeted with that kind of warmth in either the Middle East or Europe?) Politically he's in a very powerful place, having people worship him as the harbingor of a new era. Given the right circumstances that power could easily expand outside America. The UN has always has Secretary Generals from third world countries, but people outside the US seem to see Black Americans as part of the "third world" for some odd reason (Blacks in America make more money, on the average, that any African nation)

Were he elected with the fawning worship we've all seen so far, and suddenly all real Christians vanished, instantaneously, the core of any opposition to Libreal totalitarianism would be gone, and the disappearance of so many people world-wide could be easily manipulated into an emergency with demands for special powers granted to a ruling body.

Rather than claiming that Obama is the anti-christ, I'm suggesting that (absent the misleading presumptions of many groups) he certainly fits what we know for certain, therefore so far it remains a possibility, not a proven fact.

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Prophecy is given for those experiencing the events, so they know that this is what God fortold. There were all kinds of speculations about Jesus birth, most of which were wrong. The religious scholars of the time were looking for a man of wealth and political power. When a poor man with a religious following appeared, they assumed He was a fraud, and crucified Him.


Actually, the underlined part is wrong. Scripture is clear many of them knew who he was, and rejected him anyway.

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Danny Carlton wrote "faith (attended a blatantly ungoldly church and only left it when his involvement became a political liability),"

I do not know how you get "ungodly church" because of a pastors remarks. Many IFB preachers that I have heard have all said similar things about America minus the race issue. I guess that is what gets me is it is OK for us to say America has turned away from God but not for another Pastor from a different chruch? This suprised me all this outcry about his pastors remarks and I am thinking that is what my Pastor implied in his Sunday sermon as well. So to go after his church for things "some" IFB's are preaching "God turning Away from America" is hypocritical.

Note to all thanx for the bible knowledge reading these posts have been very informational. In regards to the tribulation period I think the bible teaches that people will be saved and come to know Christ during this time. It will be much harder because of the "world" but still indeed it will be there for their taking. It depends on if you believe we are only a select group that God has called (Calvanist viewpoint maybe?) or if everyone has the opportunity to accept Christ. I think Christ taught that all that would seek him he would recieve.

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Danny Carlton wrote "faith (attended a blatantly ungoldly church and only left it when his involvement became a political liability),"

I do not know how you get "ungodly church" because of a pastors remarks. Many IFB preachers that I have heard have all said similar things about America minus the race issue. I guess that is what gets me is it is OK for us to say America has turned away from God but not for another Pastor from a different chruch? This suprised me all this outcry about his pastors remarks and I am thinking that is what my Pastor implied in his Sunday sermon as well. So to go after his church for things "some" IFB's are preaching "God turning Away from America" is hypocritical.

Note to all thanx for the bible knowledge reading these posts have been very informational. In regards to the tribulation period I think the bible teaches that people will be saved and come to know Christ during this time. It will be much harder because of the "world" but still indeed it will be there for their taking. It depends on if you believe we are only a select group that God has called (Calvanist viewpoint maybe?) or if everyone has the opportunity to accept Christ. I think Christ taught that all that would seek him he would recieve.


Barack Obama's former pastor not only said negative things about America from the pulpit, but he cussed when he did it. Instead of saying "God Bless America", he said "God D*** America!" That's wicked and ungodly.

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Prophecy is given for those experiencing the events, so they know that this is what God fortold. There were all kinds of speculations about Jesus birth, most of which were wrong. The religious scholars of the time were looking for a man of wealth and political power. When a poor man with a religious following appeared, they assumed He was a fraud, and crucified Him.


Nice copout, Danny. There are enough identifiers in Scripture about the Antichrist that we can know general information about him. No, we will not know who he actually is until he arrives on the scene - ie. identifying a particular person. But we can study the Bible to see the marks where we can identify him with.

P.S. I couldn't care less about Hal Linsdey and his sensationalistic approach to the endtimes. He does not take the Bible literally, and tries to fit modern theories into Bible passages.

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Barack Obama's former pastor not only said negative things about America from the pulpit, but he cussed when he did it. Instead of saying "God Bless America", he said "God D*** America!" That's wicked and ungodly.


That does not make the church ungodly.

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Than what does? If my pastor got up and said racist remarks and started spouting liberation theology, heresy, than I would tell him what is wrong with his beliefs. If he didn't repent then I would leave and mark him as false. In todays church of whats happening now anything goes as long as you don't tell the flock they are sinners and rebuke them.

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There are enough "identifiers" to "know" he's from Europe, but not enough for people to recognize the potential for him to be the anti-christ a few years before he gains power? You still haven't offered verses to back up your assertion, and your assertions are exactly what Hal Lindsey popularized in the 70's.

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Than what does? If my pastor got up and said racist remarks and started spouting liberation theology' date=' heresy, than I would tell him what is wrong with his beliefs. If he didn't repent then I would leave and mark him as false. In todays church of whats happening now anything goes as long as you don't tell the flock they are sinners and rebuke them.[/quote']

I agree with you. I do not agree that it makes Obama a bad canidate for President of the USA.

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Pro-abortion is enough for me to say he is evil and is horrible for this country.

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Pro-abortion is enough for me to say he is evil and is horrible for this country.


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Is he pro-abortion or pro-choice? What is McCain's record?

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Is he pro-abortion or pro-choice?


Who cares?? Both positions are equally un-Godly.

(Before you ask me what is un-Godly about being pro-choice or pro-abortion, ask yourself this question: would God take either of these positions?)

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Mcain is bad to. Neither of these men stand for true christianity. Obama though is the one the media, hollywood, the elite want. This isn't an attack on Obama to stand behind Mcain. This is pointing out that Obama is the darling of this new push for change. This kind of talk does make true christians think maybe this person is the anti-christ. I don't think he is, but he is wicked like all other politicians.

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Who cares?? Both positions are equally un-Godly.

(Before you ask me what is un-Godly about being pro-choice or pro-abortion, ask yourself this question: would God take either of these positions?)


If he knows the outcome and suffering of their human existence or their choice to reject Christ up front then who am I to judge. Maybe, there is a reason? I would not condone or support an abortion but if someone did choose the choice I would be their to offer them the Living Water would you? or Are you willing to push someone away from Christ because they knew no better and had an abortion? Sorry, I am not.

I am surprised either you or Seth D. said they would never respond to my posts but both of you have hummmmmm

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Hi tank. :smile Maybe they find your posts valuable and interesting? hmmm. Just a thought. :thumb

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If someone wants to get an abortion I would give them the gospel and try to talk them out of it. Give them other options. That is far from saying that if you are against abortion you are pushing people away . Abortion or pro-choice are the same. You still are killing a baby. It is Obama's faith based initiatives and all his other socialist agendas that get true christians in a frenzy. To say here is money for your charity but you can't share the gospel and you can't discriminate on who you hire. Looks to me that he is making a full frontal assault on christianity. The devil doesn't want the gospel put forth so he will lure churches with money so they aren't allowed to preach. Obama is at the forfront of this and so was Bush.

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