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I want to know what everyones views are on this college.i plan on going next year.right now my two cousins,brother,and sister and her fiance are going there and honestly i can hardly wait to go because i love to study the Bible.theres alot of truth in Dr. Ruckmans stuff but there are some things that arent true(no ones perfect)such as they teach a gap theory which i do not believe in. right now im going to north star bible institute.which teaches the exact same stuff but not as many classes.so im also wondering what you alls think i should do.stay home and keep going to NSBI or go to PBI? i couldnt stand to be away from home. but i want to learn!

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Amie Jo

if you ain't got a KJV you ain't got the truth kiddos

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I personally disagree with Ruckman's extreme theology...we have some threads on him here if you want to search for them. We are definately KJV ONLY but we don't believe in several of the things Ruckman teaches. I also do not care for his crass method of dealing with people as I believe Christ taught us to deal with others firmly if necessary, but still with compassion.

I've heard he has an awesome bookstore though. :D

There are some really good Bible colleges as well like Ambassador, Crown, etc.

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if you ain't got a KJV you ain't got the truth kiddos


Amen


We are definately KJV ONLY but we don't believe in several of the things Ruckman teaches


I understand what you are saying. You know if you really scrutinized most preachers the way people do Dr Ruckman you would find most preachers have some teachings that may not line out with your beliefs.

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Well we have to draw the line somewhere and we feel that some things he teaches are much too far out for us.

Anyway my dh is my pastor so I agree with almost everything he does LOL.... :lol:

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I agree with Suzy, Ruckman has stated a lot of things that I haven't heard any other preachers say that were near as wild.

A lot of people from our church go to Pensacola and Pensacola sends me their updates and brochures a lot. Seems like a really good college. Probably not the best for Pastoral studies but good if your looking for more of a traditional but protected college experience.

Or you can do distance learning like me and get a degree in far less than four years and that's accredited which is something most Christian colleges don't offer unfortunately. :)

Kevin

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[quote="bibleworm"]
I want to know what everyones views are on this college.i plan on going next year.right now my two cousins,brother,and sister and her fiance are going there and honestly i can hardly wait to go because i love to study the Bible.theres alot of truth in Dr. Ruckmans stuff but there are some things that arent true(no ones perfect)such as they teach a gap theory which i do not believe in. right now im going to north star bible institute.which teaches the exact same stuff but not as many classes.so im also wondering what you alls think i should do.stay home and keep going to NSBI or go to PBI? i couldnt stand to be away from home. but i want to learn!

sincerely,
Amie Jo

if you ain't got a KJV you ain't got the truth kiddos
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I think the best thing you could do is pray about it and also look into other alternatives. Make sure you go where God wants you to go. He's got the answers. =)

Now I would say that the KJV is definitely the translation for the english speaking people, I would also say there are other good translations in other languages that are good for that language. (The chinese bible is definitely not, though, as my wife and I have learned!!! Just another off shoot of the revised version. Someone needs to do a good chinese translation from the textus receptus.) There is my 2 cents. =)

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To be honest I have never cared much for Pensecola. It is more of a college with a church then a church with a college. I know that probably makes no sense but to me it means a deal. With that being the case I would not go there for any Bible studies (like I would not go there to train to be an evangelist). The guy that you mentioned I have no idea who he is but you already pointed out a major flaw that he teaches. The gap theroy from the way that I understand it anyway changes alot of what the Bible teaches and I would not study myself under anyone that would do such a thing.

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[color=#a30000]I believe the OP is referring to Pensacola Bible Institute started by Peter Ruckman, not Pensacola Christian College of A beka fame.[/color]

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Well I hit to birds with one stone then. If that is what he is teaching I would not put myself under it.

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[color=#a30000]Exactly. Stay away from anyone who teaches the gap theory. It is a dangerous belief.[/color]

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To be honest I have never cared much for Pensecola. It is more of a college with a church then a church with a college. I know that probably makes no sense but to me it means a deal.
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That makes perfect sense and I absolutely agree. Amen to that! It is sad that most Baptist colleges are that way. :(

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Peter Ruckman is a pastor who is disqualified from the ministry because he is on his 3rd or 4th wife. He violates the qualifications of 1 Timothy. He teaches heretical teachings concerning the KJV. He believes that the KJV is superior to its original text (double inspiration).

My recommendation is to find somewhere else to go that teaches the truth. Here are some options: Crown, Ambassador, New England Baptist College to name a couple.

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I also want to clear up that Ruckman is in no way connected with Pensacola Christian College. Think what you like about PCC, but realize it is 1 of only 2 liberal arts Christian colleges that is any good. I don't recommend it for ministerial students, but it is far better than any secular university or even BJU.

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I think we must be getting two colleges mixed up. PCC is a solid Baptist college and like Pastor J, I think it's good for a liberal arts degree(though unacredited) but there are better options for a Bible degree.

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Heartland Baptist Bible College in Oklahoma City is another option. I have two kids there.

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[b]Have anyone one here ever MET Dr. Ruckman??
Have you ever called him and ask him a question??
Have you ever heard his complete testimony from him in his own words???

Have anyone here had a parent divorce another parent??

Has anyone here read your Bible in your life time over 200 times cover to cover??

Has anyone here tithed over 25%?

Has anyone here heard of the following:
James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Paul Huddlestun
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson
and on and on and on ....

Did any of you cut out Psalms 51 yet out of your Bible?

Bro Bob Owen[/b]

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1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

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[quote="BobOwen"]
[b]Have anyone one here ever MET Dr. Ruckman??
Have you ever called him and ask him a question??
Have you ever heard his complete testimony from him in his own words???

Have anyone here had a parent divorce another parent??

Has anyone here read your Bible in your life time over 200 times cover to cover??

Has anyone here tithed over 25%?

Has anyone here heard of the following:
James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Paul Huddlestun
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson
and on and on and on ....

Did any of you cut out Psalms 51 yet out of your Bible?

Bro Bob Owen[/b]
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Have anyone one here ever MET Dr. Ruckman??

Nope

Have you ever called him and ask him a question??

Nope

Have you ever heard his complete testimony from him in his own words???

Nope

Have anyone here had a parent divorce another parent??

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, [b]the husband of one wife[/b], vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Has anyone here read your Bible in your life time over 200 times cover to cover??

Satan knows the scriptures pretty well too. So what does this prove?

Has anyone here tithed over 25%?

What I tithe is between God and I, but it usually is more then what you are asking.

Has anyone here heard of the following:
James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Paul Huddlestun
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson
and on and on and on ....

Nope, are those country singers? Don't listen to that kind of music...

Did any of you cut out Psalms 51 yet out of your Bible?

Nope.

2 Timothy 3:16 [b]All[/b] scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Bro Bob Owen

There is a forum just for polls. :D You might want to try your questions there! Just a thought! :idea:

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Kitagrl

Yes I know what that scripture says.

How are relating this to what I was asking?

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Good posting JJJ!

And in response...I was saying that one of my main problems with Ruckman (not counting the fact he's a career divorcee and has some wacky end times, creation, and alien theology) is that he is very crass and rude to others.

All the "good works" he has done count for nothing if he is mean spirited. And yes I have heard him preach...it was the meanest, most unhelpful sermon I have heard...I have had very good friends in the past who were very good friends with Ruckman. I have to say that although I hope to consider us still friends, their doctrine is getting weirder and weirder (although they claim to not follow with Ruckman anymore).

Not to mention the pretty obvious that he shouldn't even be in the pulpit anyhow. I guess if one has a large enough following that nixes what God has to say about it?

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hahaha...JJJ, many of the guys listed up there are preachers ;) You just never heard of them cuz they aren't in your "circle"...or whatever. There's lots of Bible-believing preachers out there that you've never heard of...and they aren't "Ruckmanites" and don't have strange doctrine...even if they went to PBI.

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JJJ
Have anyone one here ever MET Dr. Ruckman??

Nope .... [b]Well I have and I will not judge him because he was called to preach![/b]

Have you ever called him and ask him a question??

Nope .... [b]I have and I have heard others ask him about his marriages on the radio[/b]

Have you ever heard his complete testimony from him in his own words???

Nope ....[b]Again I have read his testimony and heard him three times about his testimony.[/b]

Have anyone here had a parent divorce another parent?? [b]I have had my dad divorce my mom twice and after the first time he almost died twice. He was a very strong man and was taken down to nothing with heart disease. After the second divorce he was almost homeless. Then he remarried and had to live with heart failure till he died last year.[/b]

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

[b]Yes I know my scripture. Let me correct you on some things about the divorces of Dr. Ruckman. First marriage he never got the divorce his ex wife failed to get it granted in lower court and she took it to the Supreme Court of Alabama and she lost. She also lost all rights to alimony because she was found to have tried to defraud the court in filing false accusations against him. The second marriage his wife tried for 12 years to destroy him by getting the church against him and almost succeeded by doing so. When confronted she lied then in front of the whole church in 1988 she confessed that she lied and stated in front of all present that she was the one that wanted to still divorce him. I have heard from 4 eyewitness accounts of this event before I read it or heard the Dr. speak of it.[/b]

Has anyone here read your Bible in your life time over 200 times cover to cover?? [b]that most Christians who say they stand by the book don't know it enough to judge anyone!![/b]

Satan knows the scriptures pretty well too. So what does this prove?

Has anyone here tithed over 25%? [b]Dr. Ruckman has given always above he has ever need or had to give. Can you live on $30 a week and had God bless you.[/b]

What I tithe is between God and I, but it usually is more then what you are asking.

Has anyone here heard of the following:
James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Paul Huddlestun
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson
and on and on and on ....

Nope, are those country singers? Don't listen to that kind of music...
These are all KJV only preachers look them up ... and they are not friends of David Cloud

Did any of you cut out Psalms 51 yet out of your Bible?

Nope. ... [b]King David had a man killed had adultery with a married women and still was king. Why did God allow any more Psalms in the Bible after all his sins. Why did not God take Song of Solomon out too. Why did he let Solomon stay king? God is not us and He his more mercy than all of us combined.[/b]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Bro Bob Owen

[b]I'm not a "Ruckmanite" but I would stand up for what God has placed before us. My dad divorced my mom and got heart disease from it and lived a short life. Dr. Ruckman's wives divorced him and he did all that was humanly possible to reconciled and they still divorced him. God should have had him killed according to standard procedure. Why is he still going?????
I was warned 18 years ago not to speak against a pastor or evangelist because God would chop my head off. I'm just not going to trust man just God![/b]

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RON ROBINSON IS MY PASTOR

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I do not approve of the way Dr. Ruckman treats others.my GRANDPARENTS heard him preach and because of his horrid message they didnt get saved till 12 years later...and yet i am going to his bibe college next year.there are many things i do not agree with of his...but you rarely find anyone you will completely agree with!my parents taught me you have to pick the right apples out of a carton full of bad ones.but dont pick a bad apple its grim will stick a longggg time.i can assure you i will not become like doctor ruckman.but he does have good doctrine mixed in and i will pick it out.(everyone says im to kindhearted to become like that)i do not believe in his gap theory. and some other things.if the bible says it its true to me...and i do NOT see a gap theory in the bible. all i want to do by going there is to learn more about my Bible and if i dont see it in my bible...i wont believe it and that settles everything in my mind.


Amie Jo

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[b]bibleworm

Pastor Ron Robinson was my Pastor in Oregon long ago. I heard about the gap theory from him first. Matter of fact I even after the sermon that he mention it he showed it to me. He is a good friend of our family I've watch his kids grow up. I was introduced to him after I heard a message from Pastor Steve Stergeon about the King James Bible.
The other Pastors that were in my previous post were told to me from him. I even have heard some of Ron and Mary talk about Pastor Lester Roloff. I found Pastor Ron's good friend Pastor Les Sears years later after Ron told me he was looking for him here in California.
Ask Ron and Mary about Bob Owen and family and you will find out that we were good friends of theirs.

Just pointed this out in case you thought I was slamming Pastor Ron Robinson. If it had not been for him I would not have even heard of Dr. Ruckman or Dr. Sam Gipp (who I'm good friends with)[/b]

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