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#389557 Opportunity Or Not

Posted by John81 on Yesterday, 08:31 AM

None of the second coming passages allow time for repentance. Except Mark 12:9 but that refers to the AD70 destruction, when Jesus' coming was veiled with clouds.

The popular religious fiction has had no more Gospel impact than disaster movies.

Why do they think life is fun without Christ ? Whatever happened to the promised more abundant life of the Good Shepherd? John 10:7-11

This is an argument I've heard pastors have over the years.


A. There are many verses which speak of the Lord returning at a time no one expects. In these many are caught unprepared and will not be with Him. Just what do these verses speak to?


B. If there is a pre or mid trib rapture, can or can't certain folks be saved afterward?


C. If there is no pre or mid trib rapture, doesn't that mean people should be all the more urgent in getting saved and making their calling and election sure?


D. If we believe there will be a pre or mid trib rapture and those who heard the Gospel but rejected it will automatically be unable to ever be saved after the rapture, are we perhaps helping to condemn millions of souls to hell knowing that if we share the Gospel with them most will reject it and if the rapture occurs soon they will be doomed?


E. If when Christ returns it's at the end for this world, doesn't that add to the reasons why today is the day of salvation (since we don't know when He will return) and present another clear reason why folks need to get saved now rather than risking later?


There are more points to this, and these could be expanded, but most have probably heard them (at least some of them) before.


One of the problems with much of modern preaching and evangelism, with regards to why people are more interested in fun now than eternal abundant life, has to do with them telling people they can be Christians and live like the world. So many today preach an easy christianity where God wants them to be happy now, to have the good life now, and then God will also give them great things in heaven after they are finished living it up here on earth.


That message easily fits into the worlds message of postponing adulthood, responsibility and maturity as long as possible for the sake of entertainment, pleasing oneself with the things of the world, and the constant seeking of perpetual happiness.


These messages combine to give people the false idea that what really matters in life is entertainment, happiness and goodies here and now. No need to worry about the future because they government will take care of you when you get old and God's a real softy, all about love and non-judgmental so as long as you're not an evil dictator or serial killer you can be sure of heaven as your final home.

#389543 Way Of Life - Theistic Evolution

Posted by John81 on Yesterday, 06:56 AM

Many Christians often claim this isn't a big deal, that it really doesn't matter, but the fact is, if we declare the creation account in Genesis to be untrue we have declared God's Word to be unreliable and opened the door wide for declaring many other portions of Scripture to not be true.


Every reference in Scripture to the creation account, including the creation account itself, is presented as fact; as true details which actually occurred.


Do we believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God? If so, then we must either accept the creation account as fact or declare that God lied to us about creation. If we take all biblical references to creation which are presented in Scripture as fact and declare them to be false, that makes God a liar and His entire Word suspect. How many would want to stand before God and tell Him that directly? Yet this is what so many are doing, either ignorantly or knowingly.


Those with weak faith, and other weaknesses, who are so ready to compromise or give up the creation account, have done great harm to the Word of God, the character of God and matters of faith. In taking a false theory of evolution and placing it above the Word of God they have proclaimed man knows more about creation than God!


Scripture says "let God be true, but every man a liar". Those who dismiss the creation account as false turn the biblical injunction around and declare God to be a liar and man to be true (at least on this point).


What a dangerous position to be taking!


As for me, I believe exactly what the Word of God says regarding creation and the origins of man. God formed man, breathed life into him and he was instantly man. God didn't evolve monkeys over millions of years into some sort of "ape-man" and then breath a spirit into him somewhere along the line. There is absolutely no biblical, historical, archeological or any other source for such a bizarre concept.


So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Genesis 1:27

#389499 Christmas Tree Or No?

Posted by John81 on 29 September 2014 - 06:20 PM

Not according to Catholics! But they are so far gone on so many levels it's a real mess.

#389460 Last one to post in this thread wins

Posted by John81 on 29 September 2014 - 12:00 PM

wish i would have had the opportunity yearssssss before that

You and me both!

#389428 Christmas Tree Or No?

Posted by John81 on 29 September 2014 - 08:49 AM

Those verses are speaking of idols made by men which men then have to adorn to try and make them look like something but even when they have decorated their idol to look like a "proper" false god and have it standing upright, it can still do nothing.


As to Christmas trees, in America today they are a generic holiday decoration. Beyond being a traditional holiday decoration, most don't think anything about them at all.


There are pagan traditions and Christian traditions attached to the trees and much debate upon which is most accurate, which came first, what it really means and all that. Outside of a handful who really get into searching out such things, a Christmas tree to the vast majority of folks is nothing more than a fun decoration and something to pile presents around, the more the merrier.


As far as I can tell, folks are at liberty to have one or not depending upon their conscious.

#389417 random fact game

Posted by John81 on 29 September 2014 - 07:31 AM

An adult moose must eat 18 hours per day because of its size and the fact that the willows it eats have a low nutrition value.


Now aren't you glad I found this thread?  :face:

Perhaps Michelle Obama should give diet tips to the moose and leave school children alone.

#389414 A Major Shift In Doctrine

Posted by John81 on 29 September 2014 - 07:17 AM

All those I've known and known of who came to reject the idea of a NT tithe and accept NT giving did so after actually fully studying the matter out themselves. Most had simply accepted the tithe idea because that's all they had ever heard, and in some cases because of tradition.


Believers who have tithed based upon past teaching shouldn't be upset. Rather they should rejoice the truth has now come forth and he was willing to acknowledge the truth and adjust accordingly rather than taking the easy route of continuing on as before.


No pastor/preacher is perfect so we shouldn't get upset at the amount of time it took them to learn a particular point. Rejoice with them and encourage them to continue to study, learn, grow and follow the Lord.

#389364 Opportunity Or Not

Posted by John81 on 28 September 2014 - 07:54 PM

Your last portion there is especially interesting to consider. If there is a pre-trib or mid-trib rapture, is that, or is that not, the same as the return of Christ which you refer to? If the same, that would seem to indicate that at least those who thought they were ready for His return, but were not, can never be saved after His return.


If we look at the other thing you mention, which if I understand you is that you believe there will be no rapture so whatever comes with regards to tribulation, Christians will be here for that (as well as non-Christians) so in such a case it would still be possible for the lost to be saved because Christ hasn't yet returned.


If the first is true, then that would seem to argue most for a need to get saved today since we don't know when He might return and it be too late, at least for those who have heard the Gospel.


If the second, some could possibly argue (as those who believe anyone can be saved after rapture) that if/when they see things going bad (tribulation, mark of the beast, that sort of thing) they will then get right with God. Indeed, not a good argument even if that version were correct because still, none of us know how long we have.

#389311 Walmart’S New Employee Dress Code Sparks Debate

Posted by John81 on 28 September 2014 - 06:34 AM

That's how I want to see Walmart employees dressed! :nuts: 

#389273 Last one to post in this thread wins

Posted by John81 on 27 September 2014 - 07:44 PM

:bday:  I have such a hard time keeping track of days anymore! Anyway, as of last Saturday I'm 33 years old in Christ!


In 1981 I turned 18 on a Sunday and the following Sunday I was born again!


Praise God for his mercy, grace, goodness and love!!!

#389250 Walmart’S New Employee Dress Code Sparks Debate

Posted by John81 on 27 September 2014 - 06:33 PM

You know what is even worse?!  Unless you walk to work, Walmart even makes you pay for your own gas!  And you have to bring or pay for your own meals during the "company provided" lunch breaks!  The horror!   :realitycheck:

Yes, they are as evil as McDonald's which refuses to provide fine homes for their employees to freely live in with full furnishings and big screen TV's!

#389227 Obama To United Nations: ‘The U.s. Is Not At War With Islam; Islam Teaches Pe...

Posted by John81 on 27 September 2014 - 04:53 PM

America and other Western nations are in a war they can't win because they refuse to face the reality of who and what the enemy is. Islam is not now, never has been, never will be, a religion of peace.


As I read somewhere, a radical Muslim is one who wants to kill you while a moderate Muslim is one who wants the radical Muslim to kill you.


Consider the incidents here in America of Muslims attacking and killing Americans in the name of Islam, and yet the government denies these attacks have anything to do with Islam.


Now is the time to spread the Gospel before our freedom and ability to do so is gone.

#389226 Would You?

Posted by John81 on 27 September 2014 - 04:48 PM

As one pastor said, it's typically easier for a guy to be willing to lay down his life to save his wife, but far more difficult for him to surrender his life so that he's even willing to do the dishes for his wife.


His sermon was on living for Christ in a practical way.

#389181 Would You?

Posted by John81 on 27 September 2014 - 08:51 AM

No, because that would require turning my back on God and that's something I couldn't do.


As Scripture makes clear, we need to be busy sharing the Gospel, living for Christ, praying for the lost, praying for harvesters in the field, supporting our church and missionaries, and doing our part to bring the lost to Christ today, while there is yet time.


Prior to salvation I specifically refused to be baptized when some family members were baptized (with no profession of faith) because I wanted to go to hell with my friends so I could help protect them from the really bad people I expected to be in hell. Yes, I had a very warped and unbiblical view of hell at that time but my desire was to help my friends. By the grace of God, about a year later I was saved.


Scripture says God desires that none go to hell, so for me to purposefully go there, even for the sake of others going to heaven, would be another affront to God.


I know the question is hypothetical, but it distracts from the reality that we are called to sacrifice our lives now, right here while we live, for the sake of the Gospel, for the sake of spreading the Gospel. How greatly we fail in this area! How much more greatly may we one day discover we failed?


How much of our money do we give for the cause of Christ...and then how much do we waste, spend on our selfish desires, spend on more than we need, etc.?


How much time do we spend in prayer for the lost? For missionaries? For our pastors? For laborers for the harvest?


So much self-examination we need to do and so much more surrendering our lives to Christ we need to do now, in reality.

#389180 Hypocrisy Left And Right

Posted by John81 on 27 September 2014 - 08:38 AM

I've no problem with the factual statements Beck makes. While there were problems with his TV show on Fox, he was exposing some facts that many don't want made common. This is why he was canned.


My problem with Beck is him portraying himself as both Mormon and Christian, declaring the two are the same, and then he often mixes in Mormon teaching with his speeches.


Buchanan has governmental experience and a keen sense of the times we live in. If one has read his writings for a number of years it's amazing at how right on point he's been. So much of what he warned about regarding world affairs, domestic matters, politics and more have been proven correct.


While he's certainly not flawless, I would consider Buchanan's thoughts on these matters before Beck's.

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