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#394059 David Cloud

Posted by HappyChristian on 19 November 2014 - 01:00 PM

This happened to my husband as well.  He is not known to admit his own mistakes, though he has no problem pointing out the mistakes of others.

I think we can all be accused of this.  :biggrin:  He believes firmly in what he believes scripture says, just as your hubby does, as well as SFIC does.  As has been proven by various threads throughout the years, all of us believe what we believe and are not easily swayed to change our thought or even to admit we might be wrong.  :nuts:




#394039 David Cloud

Posted by HappyChristian on 19 November 2014 - 11:37 AM

I dearly love the creation message that Ken and his cohorts at the museum (one of my college mates works in the office, and her hubby is editor of their magazine) present.  It is a truth that creation and the truths of God's wondrous works are unknown by too many and unaccepted by too many others (even Christians have begun to apply man's "reasoning" to creation, thus creating a real dearth of the foundational basis of creation).  Ken is on a mission, one I believe that God has given him.  Is he IFB? Nope. Does he use the KJV? Nope.  Would our church have him come speak? Nope.  

 

We have had people in the past who are not preachers who speak for maybe 5 minutes - not to present doctrinal issues, but to just introduce themselves. Were they IFB? Nah.  But, again, they weren't presenting doctrine. Creation is a doctrine. It is a vital, central doctrine.  And, as such, anyone who would teach it at our church would need to be in agreement - in both word and practice - with our stand.  

 

That said...our church has taken groups to the museum. And our Creation Club gets a lot of material from them. Creation Club, though, is not a church ministry, per se.  We (the lady who started it and me) are members of the church, and all of the groups from which we cull information are vetted by one of the pastors to make sure stuff is right.  

 

Honestly, I don't believe that Cloud is writing things purposely to cause division - although we know from Christ Himself that divisions will come.  When there is a line drawn, there will be division when people cross it - because people will dislike the truth presented (I'm not referring to you, here, Kita!). 

 

Para-church organizations will come under attack because they aren't under the authority of a church. But then, if they were under a church, there would be the attacks from people who would say that the church is trying to shove things down folks' throat, that they are misusing monies to create theme-park-like venues, etc.  I honestly don't see a problem with them being separate.

 

I admire David Cloud while not agreeing with everything he says/does. And I admire Ken Ham while not agreeing with everything he says/does. (and I don't think we have anything written down about BGraham...but he is mentioned once in a while....once in a great while)




#394027 David Cloud

Posted by Ukulelemike on 19 November 2014 - 10:54 AM

Do you know that David Cloud is an active missionary in Nepal? He's living for Christ in one of the most demonic places on earth, and witnessing, first-hand, how a little conpromise can open vast doors to Satan to destroy Christians. He is involved in things that most of us will never know, much less be willing to do.

 

Now, I agree that it seems at times that he spends a bit too much time in some of his articles justifying himself and his ministry, but think: what is it that he is really doing? He's adjuring believers to a pure faith in Christ. He's warning people about those who, on one hand, claim Christ, but on the other, are actively involved in things that are truly ungodly, which, while they can do, because of those who follow them, others may follow them into their ungodly activities.

 

So, is it wrong to beloieve that Christians should live in a holy manner? Is it wrong to warn others of the things well-known, famous Christian leaders are doing that will lead to worldliness and compromise? I say, in fact, that this is exactly what we as believers should be doing.

 

By the way, if you read his articles, you'll find that, generally, David Cloud praises the good many have done, and gives credit where due in their teachings and activities. But then, yes, he warns about compromise by those same people.

 

I have to admit, the one things I have never heard anyone say about David Cloud, is that he is a hypocrite, or that he is involved in compromise. Except those who call him a Bible corrector because he (rightly) says that there have been changes made in such things as spelling and updating of punctuation, in the KJV since the 1611 came out. That's not Bible correcting, its just fact. The Bible most KJV folks hold is NOT the 1611 version, but a later edition with changes in it. That's not correcting, its fact.

 

And I have never once read anywhere that Cloud is trying to turn anyone to be his disciples, (though as I recall, Paul DID tell people to follow Paul, though that was dependent upon Paul following Christ).

 

I admit to not having read his article on Ken Ham. Is this the latest in his articles? I'll look it up.  I admit I wasn't impressed with Ham's recent 'debate' with Bill Nye, though really, the forum was really poor for doing a real debate, so it really wasn't his fault. I just heard Nye say a lot that has been long-since proven false, but was not addressed by Ham. But again, bad forum, so not really his fault. I think it was designed to come out with no clear winner, just two guys having their say.




#394028 David Cloud

Posted by Ukulelemike on 19 November 2014 - 10:58 AM

From his recent article, here are the questions he asks about whether or not someone is considered neoevangelical:

 

 

 

Wait.  I mean, it sounds great.... but the thing is, he never claims to be a church.  Also, where in the Bible does it say a Creationist Museum guy who goes around doing seminars has to have a written doctrinal statement outside of the Bible?  Also all the other points...they are all pretty much extra-scriptural as far as the job that Ken Ham is doing.   And what in the world does a public stand against Billy Graham have to do with any of this?  Why does Billy Graham even matter?  Huh?  Wait...our church doesn't even have a statement against Billy Graham.....maybe we aren't real Baptists!  Uh oh!

Billy Graham matters because he is the epitomy of new evangelical compromise, widely accepted by Christian leaders everywhere, and kind of the gold-standard for modern-day evangelists.

 

As for a doctrinal statement, personally, any site purporting to be a Christian ministry, I look for a doctrinal statement. Let the redeemed of the Lord say so-I want to know what a man or ministry believes before I consider his work.




#393977 Matthew 24

Posted by No Nicolaitans on 18 November 2014 - 12:37 AM

Perhaps I've been misunderstood?

 

I agree with what Uke and Heartstrings are saying...maybe I need to quit posting for awhile since I'm not relaying my thoughts plainly!  :nuts:




#393736 Sheep, Shepherd, Or Wolf?

Posted by Miss Daisy on 13 November 2014 - 01:29 AM

wow, that first video was very graphic. Ruckman sounds like he's off his rocker and probably always has been from quotes I've been reading online directly from his books. 




#393675 Sheep, Shepherd, Or Wolf?

Posted by Standing Firm In Christ on 12 November 2014 - 12:14 PM

Wolf disguised as a shepherd


#393580 Why King James Only?

Posted by Jim_Alaska on 11 November 2014 - 11:45 AM

I have been following this whole thread from beginning to end. I have refrained from posting numerous times simply because my thoughts and convictions stray from Jordan’s original question.

 

But now, after much prayer and thought, I feel I must post the burden that The Lord has laid on my heart.

 

This thread has drifted from the original topic to posts about who follows who; why others are wrong; (Riplinger, Ruckman) and others. And I just keep coming back to the “why” of it all. Let me lay it out plainly since what I have said so far is obscure.

 

I guess this will come in the form of questions. Why do so many feel the need to read after men or women that they don’t know personally, or who have ministries outside of their own church?

 

Are your churches so weak that you are not being fed proper spiritual food? The local church is, or should be, the place where we are fed, where we grow in Grace and love toward our God and our brethren. There is no substitute for the local church.

 

Paul says this about the local church: 1Tim. 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. If we believe God’s inspired Word why do some feel the need to seek it elsewhere? If our churches are what they should be, why waste our time and resources elsewhere?

 

2Thes. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

Now I know that someone will say that they are just defending the KJV. But this issue goes far beyond this concept. There are false teachers and preachers world wide, does that mean we have to address each one? I think not! 2Tim. 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. Simply put; God is able!

 

I am not saying that these things should not be addressed; they certainly should be as they pertain to our own churches. But why go outside to look for windmills to tilt at? Do we who comprise a local Church of the Living God not have enough to do to keep ourselves pure; preach the Gospel; teach our own people; visit the sick; study; pray?

 

Brothers and sisters, I will end by encouraging each one to fully support your local church by your attendance, prayers and care one for another. Rebuke false teaching in your midst, but don’t get all caught up in the errors of others. It is not profitable. The local church needs you and all of your heart, mind and soul.

 

God bless you as you serve Him.




#393529 Why King James Only?

Posted by MatthewDiscipleOfGod on 10 November 2014 - 07:27 PM

I see a lot of criticism of Ruckman and Gail on here but no one giving first hand evidence as Steve mentioned. I don't care for Gail acting as a pastor at times and Ruckman's name calling but as for accusations of misquotes first hand examples should be given. Steve is correct, all men are liars. I have yet to meet someone have has never lied in their lifetime. Fundamentalism's biggest weakness is everyone flocking to their own leaders. For some it is David Cloud, for others it is Ruckman. For others still it may be Sword of the Lord leaders or some school they attended. We need to go back to the Bible. The Bible alone needs to be our sole authority.




#392975 David Cloud Great Offer!

Posted by Miss Daisy on 03 November 2014 - 11:49 PM

I was reading the link to Way of Life posting today and clicked on the button to subscribe to O'Timothy, and I did for only $10 then I was offered 57 video messages on a list of current things in churches today for only $12.95 I think. I also ordered them. I thought 57 video messages for that price was a great deal. Just wanted to let others know who enjoy David Cloud.




#392320 ‘There Is No God But Allah': Father Pulls Son From School Over Pro-Islam...

Posted by John81 on 28 October 2014 - 07:59 PM

The "universal god" that people claim is the same god of all religions would have to have a multiple personality disorder, along with a host of other disorders, and be one that nobody could trust since such a god has told different people he's much different than he's told others, and he calls certain people to do things contrary to what he tells others, and tells some people one way to get to heaven, others another, and others yet that there is no heaven.

 

The reality is, our God, the One True God as revealed in our KJB, is consistent, perfect and totally trustworthy, unlike any other "god" of any other religion and unlike any concept of a "universal god".




#392255 ‘There Is No God But Allah': Father Pulls Son From School Over Pro-Islam...

Posted by John81 on 27 October 2014 - 06:22 PM

Here, a textbook can claim Allah is the only god, but if a textbook were to be found in a public school declaring that Jesus is the only way there would be lawsuits, mass media hysteria, political intrigue and verbal assaults galore against Christianity.




#392284 Way Of Life - Preacher Says "the Brethren" Are Galled With Brother C...

Posted by Ukulelemike on 28 October 2014 - 09:34 AM

A shame this has to continue this way. I suspect that many who accuse Cloud of pride, get that from such letters as this, when, in order to justify his knowledge in the subject, he tells them his experience and studies and such, which, if it were done any other way, would seem like pride. However, I don't see it that way, I see it as him listing his credentials, much as Paul did when he spoke of his earthly credentials, the stock of benjamin, circumcised the 8th day, etc. he wasnt lifting himself up in these things, but showing that he, of all people, understood the Jews and their religion, so he was the perfect person, as it were, to preach to the Jews.

 

I have some disagreements with David Cloud, but I absolutely agree with his assessment of the musical issues he deals with often, and we have much history and proof in churches who were once solid, but in allowing more and more worldly music in, they have since left IFB and become rock and roll concernt churches that teach false doctrines and licentiousness. Its not like it has never happened. They are allowing fire in their bosom-they will get burned.




#391520 Sermon Supoenaes

Posted by No Nicolaitans on 16 October 2014 - 11:51 AM

Wonder when she'll demand that all the mosque's imams turn over their sermons. 

 

My guess...never.




#391464 Oh...that's What It Means!

Posted by Standing Firm In Christ on 15 October 2014 - 09:53 PM

I was going to join the local procrastinator's club, but figured I'd wait til a later date.




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