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#382151 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by heartstrings on 14 August 2014 - 11:34 AM

I thank everyone for the replies, shared stories and advice. To go a little deeper, the topic of concern for me is the security of the believer. I don't know if anyone that replied read an earlier post I made about how to find a church. Well, I found one. I really wasn't looking at this moment but had read an article online while I was doing my Bible study and at the end of the article it said to click here if you are looking for a church in your area. I clicked on it and the name and location of the church came up. I went on their page to read their statement of faith but there was little, or not enough info there for me to decide what they believed as a whole. I wanted to learn more, so I made a list of questions, made the call and spoke with the pastor. He was very gracious, patient and willing to take the time to discuss matters of importance to me and then basically thanked me for asking hard questions and doing my research of scripture. I was satisfied with the answers and scriptures he gave me and pretty much agreed with him. I started going to the church but then remembered something I forgot to ask and that was the security of the believer. I went to him alone and addressed him after the service and he told me he believes a Christian can fall from grace but it was something we would have to discuss in depth and too hard to give me a definitive answer in that moment. He said he would be happy to have himself and his wife go over it with me in greater detail if I wanted to get together with them. The reason this is so important to me is I have been in churches that teach you can lose salvation if you don't do this or that. I can't do that again. That is a miserable condition for a Christian to be in when you feel you have to constantly question your salvation.

I think I will prepare, pray and make the appointment, which leads me to my next question. As a woman, is this proper action to take if women are not to teach men or does that only refer to women who disrupt the church? I recall Acts 18:26 so I believe I am within my right, although my husband will not be with me at this appointment.

I see red flags going up.  From my experience, people who do not believe in ''once saved-always saved'' do not change their beliefs on that unless God does a mighty work in their hearts. I know many folks like this and though they are sweet people, the doctrine they hold to is deadly. I wouldn't discuss it but would respectfully leave. When a person gets truly born again, they are a possessor of everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, ever.....it's a done deal, end of story. and when Jesus says ''depart from me'' He will not say to the lost; '' I knew you once but don't anymore',


John 5:24 says....

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

#381480 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 08 August 2014 - 08:31 PM

No, but it's possible to believe in another "Jesus" as in 2 Corinthians 11:3-4


Benny Hinn has the wrong Jesus and so do the teachers of a Jesus who didn't die for everyone. Sorry; wrong Jesus.

#381427 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 08 August 2014 - 01:31 PM

Benny Hinn uses a King James Bible, has the plan of salvation outlned on his website, and claims Jesus Christ is Savior, and preaches on ''the blood''.


My Jesus created all things, tasted death for every man, is willing that all should come to repentence, is not willing that any should perish, and he did not create a single person to burn in Hell for the ''glory'' of it..

#380658 Continuing Request For My Daughter

Posted by heartstrings on 31 July 2014 - 08:39 AM

From what I 've seen, foreign students, especially one majoring in "molecular physics", tend to be ''nerdy' and not much into partying.

Praying for you and your daughter.

#380356 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 29 July 2014 - 01:58 PM

For God so loved the Reformed, that he gave his only begotten son, that the limited few he had unconditionally chosen to overpower their resistance and thereby believe against their will, should not perish but have everlasting life. Calvin 3:16

#380069 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 27 July 2014 - 01:44 PM

We do not know if it was God's will that Felix should come to repentance, believe the Gospel, and be saved. His convenient season frequently came to listen again to Paul. Acts 24:24-27 What we do know it was God's will that Paul should be kept in prison, to witness also to Agrippa & Festus, and to appeal to Caesar & so to travel to Rome to preach to the Emperor & his court. Whether these came to faith in Christ, we do not know. Scripture is silent, but we must learn from Scripture - dare ANY wait for a convenient season, & delay repentance.   


Do YOU believe Jesus died for Hitler's sins on the cross? Not just a general "Jesus died for everybody" but specifically for Hitler's sins?

The Bible says that Felix, "reasoned of temperance, righteousness, and judgment to come". Those three things are the "convincing" of the Holy Ghost who, the Bible also says, is God. So I would say, yes, it was God's will that Felix repent and believe the Gospel. But it was Felix who made the choice to say "go and come again at a more convenient time". To answer your question: Yes sir I believe Jesus died on the cross for every sin committed by and every atrocity ordered by Adolf Hitler. If Hitler is in Hell right this minute, it is because Hitler refused his last opportunity to repent of those sins and rejected Jesus. It was Hitler's choice.


And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2


He is also the propitiation for your sin of teaching ''Calvinism''. But you, yourself make that choice not to repent of it. Repent means to "turn against" or "turn away".

#379985 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 26 July 2014 - 08:33 PM

"It would not be possible for me too earnestly to press upon
you the importance of reading the expositions of that prince among men,
-- Charles Haddon Spurgeon


"The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine
preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else
be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of
no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's
gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder
through England again."-- Charles Haddon Spurgeon


"... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."
-- Charles Haddon Spurgeon


(speaking of "TULIP"), "We look upon them as being five
great lamps which help to irradiate the cross, or rather five bright
emanations springing from the glorious covenant of our Triune God, and
illustrating the great doctrine of Jesus crucified. Against all comers,
especially against all lovers of Arminianism, we defend and maintain pure
gospel truth." -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon


" I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else.   -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon


"Once again, if it was Christ's intention to save all men, how deplorably has He been disappointed, for we have His own testimony that there is a lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, and into that pit of woe have been cast some of the very persons who, according to the theory of universal redemption, were bought with His blood. That seems to me a conception a thousand times more repulsive than any of those consequences which are said to be associated with the Calvinistic and Christian doctrine of special and particular redemption. To think that my Saviour died for men who were or are in hell, seems a supposition too horrible for me to entertain."  -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon


But he also said...

"Our conformity to Christ is the sacred object of predestination."  -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon



I don't care if Spurgeon was called "the prince of preachers", or how many thousand 'converts' he had; Billy Graham has a multitude of 'converts' and followers too, but he's still a heretic. When I got saved, Spurgeon was nowhere near but Jesus was in the house. I distinctly heard the "voice" of Psalm 29, via the scripture of Psalm 23. and WILLINGLY I opened up my everlasting door and the King of Glory came in. The Bible tells us not to follow, or put our trust in men. I "need not that any man teach" me, even Spurgeon.

#379877 What Is Your Explanation For This?

Posted by heartstrings on 25 July 2014 - 02:37 PM

Thanks brother!

#379874 What Is Your Explanation For This?

Posted by heartstrings on 25 July 2014 - 02:05 PM

2Samuel 6

20Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself! 21And David said unto Michal, It was before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD. 22And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. 23Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.






2 Samuel 21:8

But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:

#379869 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 25 July 2014 - 11:49 AM

OFF TOPIC for a moment:


    I notice that, as we have removed those from the forum who clearly stand for false doctrines, LIKE the reformed position, here we are, all of us ultimately in agreement on the subject at hand, and still we are fighting over such things as, 'should we even care what a reformed person believes about his words' and 'does it matter how they define terminology?'.  Are are all of us against the doctrine, all agree it is wrong, but now, we aregue over how we deal with it. That's pretty sad, folks.


  I guess it boils down to, do we want to successfully discuss the subject with a Calvinist or not? If not, that's fine, it doesn't matter how they define terms, let them continue. If you want to discuss it with them, you'd best understand what they mean when they talk, or there's going to be a lot of confusion. 


Like many false groups, Mormons, JW's Catholics, etc, Calvinists change the meanings of biblical terminology to fit their doctrine. Ask a Mormon about gospel, and they will say they believe it. If we don't know that for them, the gospel is all about one's way of life, and not the death for our sins, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, we might well go on our merry way thinking they are saved. A good example there is Glenn Beck. So with the Calvinist, if we want to discuss it, we'd best understand what they mean when they speak.


I guess my point it, after reading so much here, we all seem to agree-but we are arguning minute, non-issues about the subject at hand. Are we so desirous to argue that even in agreement we must argue?

Unless they have ''reformed'', you still have a couple.

#379406 Oh Thrill.......

Posted by heartstrings on 17 July 2014 - 05:38 PM

I can usually deal with cats. However, there was this one tomcat which kept coming at night to fight with my Wife's tom. We lived in a tin-roofed mobile home at the time and most nights they would race across the roof and the tom would jump off onto a nearby pine tree to escape. But one night that big tom had my wife's cat pinned to the ground by the steps, holding him in a death-grip by his neck. I went back into the house, selected a .22 rifle, and sent him to his ''long home''.


But you have to be careful of killing people's ''fur children'' because they, for the most part, can't or won't comprehend that it's not OK for their ''loving'' ''sweet'' dog to roam the neighbors' property and do as it pleases with it's predatory nature. I've had our dogs attacked, chickens killed, rabbits killed and my son threatened on our own front porch.  It gets old pretty quick.

#379397 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 17 July 2014 - 12:47 PM

Have you ever read Luther's Bondage of the Will?  He said Adam was given free will and exercised it for his children, us in other word  He used his freewill to sin and bore his son "in his own image" his sinful image.  I used Luther as one who believed in predestination and if you actually read my post, you will see that I said they were Calvinists "!in your words."  That is, they believed in predestination.  To say that predestination  did not mean predestination to life, but some other predestination is foolish  Called, chosen, predestinated.  If that were the only reference in scripture I would be inclined to agree with you, but there are many other places tat confirm this, remember, Jesus said "You didn't choose me, I chose you." and 


John 6:37  All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39  And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40  And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 
44  No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
45  It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
65  And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66  From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

As you can see, the teaching of Jesus is no more popular today than it was them.


DasveW, you completely miss the point by trying to vilify me.  (I am glad that n one will have that attitude when we get to glory)   My point was, they all believed in  predestination.  Incidentally, they all (AS far as I know) taught that the Pope is the Man of Sin, the Antichrist.



A catholic is hardly likely to teach that. 


I used the word "Calvinist" as you use it on anyone who believes in predestination.  



I am an admirer of Br Cloud, except when he gets onto history and prophecy.



I don't follow Calvin, or any 5 points or TULIP, I just read the bible.  


You asked, "Why did I use the label 'Arminian'?"


AS I was labelled "Calvinist" I used the term that some Calvinistic Baptists use about all those who believe in free will.  I know a pastor who calls himself Arminian, and won't go to our church as he said we are Strict Baptists, but when I spoke to a member of his church, he said "Have you ever asked him to explain his position?"  I said "No."  and he replied, "I have and when he explains his beliefs, he is nearer to Calvin than Arminius.

 First of all, we believe "predestination'' because it is a Bible doctrine. You want people to believe that predestination means the same as predeterminism. That's false doctrine, using a Bible word.

#379058 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 12 July 2014 - 01:09 PM

Yes, I believe in that. Question for you:


Do you believe that Felix resisted the Holy Spirit in Acts 24:25?

#378868 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 08 July 2014 - 07:37 PM

And the church.

That's right. Jesus, angels, Israel, and the Church all have a job, and purpose. Jesus came to Earth, performed miracles, "went about doing good", shed His blood on the cross and rose from the dead. Part of His "work", his "job" was finished on Calvary. Now He makes "intercession for the saints" and will one day do something else when he comes in the clouds to get us, then fights with the sword of His mouth and stands upon the Mount of Olives, and reigns a thousand years....see what I'm saying?  Likewise the angels, Israel and the Church have a purpose/function/job as well. Point being; Jesus is "elect" but that doesn't mean God "chose" him in the sense that he "picked" him...He has always existed and has always been God.

#378798 John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Posted by heartstrings on 07 July 2014 - 08:34 PM

I was upset for a different reason:  How dare a MAN who calls himself a preacher lie on my God like that.

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