Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Not only that but God is my Father...and I am His son....
When my earthly father begat me, I inherited his likeness, his characteristics, his nature, his wealth, his name, and there is nothing which can change the fact that I am his biological son. I will always be his son. It's the same with my Heavenly Father. When He begets you, you are His son and nothing you can do will change that.
When a person shows no signs of change after being "born again" do you just assume they didn't have saving faith? Or, do you accept their salvation based on their moment of possible belief?
Like John 81 says, the only way I can assume another person is saved is by seeing a change in their life, or the fruit of the Spirit working and bearing witness to me.
I can see a change in their life, but I can't see into their heart; only God can do that. But I can be certain of my own salvation because I was there when Jesus came into my heart, and I know what He did for me. The people in the church house could hear me tearfully cry out "Jesus!" as I hurried to the altar, but only He and I knew that He filled me with His Spirit. So really, they had to see a change in my life as well.
I guess we both agree then that a change of some magnitude must take place. Without change, I fear for that soul hanging on by a "prayer" .... it's never just a prayer alone, but the repentance that leads to the prayer. Without repentance I can't see genuine salvation. One must see the error in their ways and want to change.
I guess that is where I bunt heads with some of the eternal security folks. They look at the Bible and see an absolute moment of rebirth. A date. A time. I don't disagree that it's faith alone that saves, but the Bible shows many times where head knowledge won't get you far. It's a genuine moment of rebirth where one sees the need to trust Christ alone and nothing else. And at that moment the insides are changed and the child of God starts a journey along with the Holy Spirit. That child will never be separated from God. But, I see an earthly hand reaching our for a gift with a stipulation attached. God says to love him and keep his commandments and that faith without works is dead. If someone seeks God and starts the walk but then suddenly stops and has zero works and zero love for God I believe the Bible says they are still lost. Some say they had no saving faith, but it's not about a moment of salvation but about a beginning that must grow.
Some are strong in their faith and they grew from being a babe in Christ. Others just seem to stagnate. I fear for the unchanged "Christian" because I believe God reached out, He saved them, and then they rejected him in their infant state. They didn't build on a rock. They were seed on bad soil. I don't know how long God gives the babe in Christ, but if they don't start to grow I fear for them. I believe the speck of saving faith is small, just so one trust Christ alone and what he did on the Cross. But, how can one expect eternal life if they don't trust Christ anymore? Bible says they are dead, and dead means no life at all. Maybe they are weak, and still trust Christ, and maybe they are dead and don't want Christ. What about those moments of life? Was that nothing at all or maybe God turning the key and starting the journey. They didn't grow, they didn't care, they died, they gave God back his gift and said I don't really want it after all.
Am I the judge? No. But the Bible says faith without works is dead. That should fear people. Those hanging on by a prayer don't fear, they just accept they are helpless humans and that God made this magical way to heaven. They assume Christ is their advocate even as they reject him. They say he saved them on such and such a date. How foolish. They have no moment when they trusted him as their savior, they just have a date then when acquired head knowledge.
Not sure my stand is clear.
On a Sunday morning, May 11, 1986 in the Berean Baptist Church, about 3 or 4 pews back, on the left side of the auditorium, Jesus came into my heart when I beleived and called on His name right after the preacher had preached a sermon entitled "The Lord is my Shepherd". This is what the Bible says happened......
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
So, 24 years ago I heard the Word and the moment I believed on Jesus I was a possessor of everlasting life, passed from death unto life, with a promise that I would never go to Hell. Please read this verse.......
2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Now read the next verse........
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Did you catch that? God says that He "Knoweth them that are His", but in the future when He puts those in the Lake of Fire He won't say "I used to know you"; No, He will say to all of them "I never knew you.
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