First of all, the statement "Open it back up" - taken directly from your OP - is written in the form of an order. Had you added please, it might not have been taken as such.
Secondly, I never said you were responding to a question. But your OP was addressed to me as the closer of the thread - and you did state "if you ask me"...
Thirdly, I didn't get snippy, but your OP certainly was snippy. And that's my opinion.
Winman wasn't only being disrespectful. He was being blasphemous and then added mockery of those who pointed out his error on top of it. I truly am sorry that you don't like that the thread was closed before you could add to it (I kinda find it ironic that you accuse me of my only contribution being to close it while you state that some can only come on here every so often...I don't think I missed the rule that mods only close threads after they've contributed to them a certain number of times).
And, yes, sometimes mods are too hasty. Sometimes they are too slow. We just can't please all the members all the time.
You have stated your displeasure at the thread being closed. Thank you for your input. But this thread has come to the end of its usefulness. So, probably in too much haste in your opinion, this thread is also closed. Feel free to begin another thread on original sin if you so desire. Just know that if it goes the direction of the last one, it, too, will be closed. Have a good day.
good to see you have such a pure heart and focus on things that are lovely and honest, And that you make such just accusations and that you always focus on good reports and all your words are virtuous . I am sure we all want to follow your example
Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
This was totally unnecessary, AVBB. DaveW had a very valid point...there have been some pretty egregious teachings on here - there always is, as people are human and tend to error rather than truth quite often - of late.
Don't be so quick to mock a person who is frustrated with unbliblical teachings.
John Smyth is a very poor example, as he migrated to Mennonite before he died. His path took him from Anglican to Se-Baptist, to Mennonite. As an IFB, my doctrinal beliefs don't come from him, but rather from scripture. Rightly divided scripture, not scripture being put up to twist into something that becomes a pet argument. Such as original sin.
Winman, that's enough with your mockery. If you can't discuss something without resorting to childish thrusts, then remain silent. Scripture you have provided does not, in fact, prove your thesis that people are not born with sin.
You can proclaim all you want that Romans 5:12 teaches only death as a result of sin, but you are dead wrong. "Wherefore as by one man sin entered into the world [sin may have originated with the devil, but scripture very clearly says that it came into this world by one man...and context shows that one man to be Adam], and death by sin [obviously this means that death now comes as a result of sin in the world]; and so death passed upon all men [simply meaning as a result of the sin in the world, death is something all people inherit], for that all have sinned." Anyone who understands plain english can see that this prepositional phrase refers to the fact that death has come upon all for the reason that all have sinned. That's the plain teaching of scripture.
You, Winman, have posted a few things that in actuality cause doubt upon the deity of Christ. You can claim that you haven't, but that is the effect of some of the things that you have said. Now, here is your cease and desist order. If you want to discuss and fellowship, great. But stop introducing your blatantly perverted doctrines. If you insist on continuing - even in arguing with this post - you will be banned. But unlike BB, it won't be just for a month.
Jesus Christ was born sinless. That is not going to be open to argument. He is God. He was God before He became flesh. Gen. 3:15 clearly tells us that He would be born of the seed of the woman. Physically impossible since women do not have seed, but with God all things are impossible. He did not inherit the sin nature with which we are all born (and for someone who supposedly has 8 kids to say that babies can't lie just because they can't speak is ludicrous...) because had He inherited it, He would not have been sinless and able to be the perfect sacrifice required for the sin of the world.
As a man, Jesus had the same issues we have: hunger, thirst, etc. Without sin. Hebrews 4:15 is clear on that: "For we have an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities: but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." He did not sin. We sin often. By commission and omission, because of our natural bent toward that. Natural meaning a distinct part of our nature with which we are born.
Being tempted is not sin in and of itself. Remember that we are in a fleshly body that has fleshly desires (not all desires are wrong...but when they are put in the wrong priority they become wrong). Because of those fleshly desires, we can be tempted, enticed. It is when we give in to those temptations (even if the desires are of a good thing, if they are in the wrong time/wrong place category, they are wrong) that is sin. And continuing in giving in to temptation causes the temptations to expand and become worse and worse...
Jesus Christ hungered after His 40 days in the desert. In His fleshly body, He needed food, just as we do. And so, because of His hunger, He could have been susceptible to the devil's tempting Him. But He wasn't. Why? Simply because He was God and could not sin, even in His human form.
GS, here are a couple of links that might help a bit. I don't know, you may already have covered some of this with her.
One thing that many who are in the charismatic scene don't understand is that often the "tongues" are simply noises that are hypnotically induced (years ago [and it could still be so], people were instructed to just sit and stare into space while muttering "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus" over and over and over again, until the person speaks in tongues. That is self-hypnosis).
As was mentioned already, tongues is simply another word for languages. Paul spoke a number of languages, and that is what he meant when he said he spoke tongues more than you all (see, he even spoke Southern ).
I think in the case of your sister, she will simply need time. Time studying scripture, time discussing and praying with you, etc. The Holy Spirit will work in her and she will soon be able to leave the desire for experience behind (soon being relative as to each individual person). Once one "experiences" that, it is hard to leave it behind. But it has been and can be done.
A blood moon may have significance - considering the mass slaughter of of the people of Gaza by the Israelis.
Mass slaughter indeed. Hamas began the attack and nothing negative was said about it by the media. Israel defends, and folks go crazy because Hamas trots out civilians that were killed - because Hamas uses them as shields.
Don't be blaming Israel for what the Palestinians started.
Speaking on marriage, is there anytime when it is wrong for someone to make the decision not to marry simply because it is not their desire to? I am 38, and have never had the desire to marry. However, my pastor seems to imply often that everyone should desire to marry.
The Bible tells us that it is good for man to marry - but it does not state that it is required.
"Delight thyself also in the LORD and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart." As you walk with God, He will put the desires into your heart that He wants you to have. If you are open to the idea of marriage if it's what God wants you to do, He will show you what to do - either way.
I think 1 Cor. 7 is pretty clear on the matter...marriage is not a command for anyone.
Daisy you need to not ask men but God and study it out for yourself. The command to study in 2Tim 2:15 is for you as well. so write out all the verse and observe the textual context and learn to rightly divide the word of truth for yourself.
Urging someone to study scripture is great. But do not interfere with someone who is going to their pastor for clarification on something. Period.