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DaveW

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In Topic: John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Yesterday, 08:42 PM

They define regeneration as God making a person alive so that they may then believe and be saved.

But the established biblical definition of regeneration is salvation.

They are not separate things.

I have had many such discussions with Calvinists who say they are separate but they happen so close together that they can not be distinguished.
This is the doublespeak that I mentioned before.
They define them as different but say they are the same.

If the meaning of a term is already established and someone changes that meaning they do so because they have an agenda.
The agenda of the Calvinist is to allow them to force the making alive from the dead a separate matter to salvation so that they can twist Scripture to avoid answering the question of the basis of salvation.
The Calvinist says a man must be regenerated by God before he can believe and be saved.
The Bible says:
Eph 2
 8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Saved by faith.
Now you can try to understand all you like what the calvinist means by regeneration, but the fact is that he redefines regeneration away from the biblical definition for the purpose fitting his total depravity and unconditional election in between a supposed two step salvation which does not exist in the Bible.

In Topic: Choosing A Church

Yesterday, 08:10 PM

I think you are reading it wrong - I don't see anyone talking about a church building.
Of necessity a church must meet somewhere - you meet in homes. If someone is looking for your church what you tell them?
We meet at such and such an address.

Grace saved is looking for a church - not a church building.

There are a lot of people who talk about church and mean the building, that is true. But I don't think that is how this thread is speaking.

GS is looking for a church - an organized group of believers to fellowship with.

At least that's the way I am reading it. ;)

In Topic: Choosing A Church

Yesterday, 07:44 PM

Why have you found yourself in this spot?
Have the "good" churches in your area strayed? Have you moved into this area and found no good churches? Something else?

If you can drive to a decent church a ways away, that is probably your best option.

After some time they may be willing to start an outreach near you and grow it to another church - but this week?????

Look anywhere within driving distance and check them out. It sounds like a commitment to travel is where you are at.

In Topic: John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Yesterday, 06:55 PM

Actually, Calvinists make a distinction between regeneration and salvation and therefore would claim you misrepresent them. Getting them to explain the difference between being regenerated and saved is another matter altogether, good luck with that.

Some Calvinists believe that the moment a person is regenerated they will automatically believe, and so are saved that very moment. Still they will insist regeneration had to occur first.

Other Calvinists like R.C. Sproul say a person can be regenerated for years, even decades before they actually believe on Jesus. This would be a person who is "spiritually alive" according to these particular Calvinists, and yet is "dead in sins" at the same moment! Logically impossible, but that is what they believe.


Exactly - a biblical study of regeneration shows it to be salvation - the Calvinist redefines it, and then argues around it.
Change definitions and you can make any sentence true no matter how nonsensical it is in normally defined language.

In Topic: John Calvin Had It All Wrong

Yesterday, 06:53 PM

Let's assume Calvinists get every single Biblical word wrong. Let's assume that when they use the word 'regeneration' they actually mean 'camel', as in 'I loaded up my regeneration with goods to sell at the market'. That a person doesn't use words properly may be a valid criticism, but it doesn't change the fact that if you want to understand that person properly you have to examine what they mean when they say things.


The problem with this is that they are talking about theological issues using theological terms but applying their own definitions to them.

Your analogy falls apart because of this.

If they use their own definitions in a context where the definitions independently established, they do so falsely.
Why would you redefine a word that has an established meaning?
It is surely only for the purpose of twisting the understanding of the situation.

This is what a Mormon does when you ask them if they are saved. They will happily say yes, but they don't mean what the Bible means.
So also the Calvinist, if he means something other than the Biblical meaning of regeneration, he is not talking about biblical things - but he insists that he is talking about biblical things.
So, he is either wrong about his thoughts on regeneration, or he is using terms amiss.
Why then use terms that have an established meaning in theology to teach something different to that meaning?

If they mean something different to the biblical meaning, and insist on using that term with a different meaning in a theological context, they are deceitful.
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