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#388181 Aussie Made Famous

Posted by DaveW on 19 September 2014 - 09:05 AM

I said to my wife that someone would be looking for a new screen by lunchtime..............

Apparently people were camping outside of applestores to be first in line........

C'mon folks....... it's a phone......


#388134 Way Of Life - Friday Church New Notes, Volume 15, Issue 38

Posted by DaveW on 19 September 2014 - 02:12 AM

Bill Nye will be in hell one day saying "just because I'm in hell doesn't mean I stopped believing in evolution"!
A lot of celebrities who made statements against God publically died soon after. God will not be mocked.


No he won't.
Phil 2
 10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
 11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

He, like everyone else, saved or unsaved, will be a believer eventually. Hopefully he will know the truth before it is too late for him.


#387865 Pantry ABC

Posted by DaveW on 17 September 2014 - 05:52 PM

Salmonella
(Hopefully not..... :lol: )


#387464 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 14 September 2014 - 03:55 AM

Still a thousand years.
Doesn't matter how many times you try to explain it away.
It says a thousand years. It means a thousand years.


#387250 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 12 September 2014 - 07:41 PM

You can't work the Word of against itself.
Satan will be bound for a thousand years.
This binding had not happened when Paul said Satan hindered him.
At least Paul didn't think Satan was very bound.

You take an analogy and present it against a clear statement.
The clear statement supports the idea that Satan is not yet bound.
Satan is bound at the start of the thousand years spoken of in Rev 20.

The thousand years - which is a thousand years despite what Covey tries to twist it into - has not started yet - too much of Revelation is yet unfulfilled.
Or at least there is no evidence of it being fulfilled on the scale and to the level of detail recorded in Revelation.

Satan is not bound and cast into the pit at this time - not as it says in Rev 20.


#387218 Text In Grey And Features Disabled

Posted by DaveW on 12 September 2014 - 05:22 PM

There is something on googledrive that does similar - that call it an app (like everything else nowadays...... )

I have experimented a little with googledrive and found a very similar player to Bro Markle's, but because I have only played a little, I couldn't tell you how...... :lol:

No expertise here - I just play until stuff works, then try to remember what I did that time that was different to before. :lol:


#387131 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 12 September 2014 - 04:15 AM

And Dan does not allow the "last 3 1/2 years" to start at Calvary.
But again, don't let what the Word of God actually says get in the way.


#387090 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 11 September 2014 - 06:08 PM

With wave of the magic wand of "figurative speech" you dismiss what the Bible describes in great detail, and therefore can ignore any problems you might have.
Then you say the binding took place after the death of Christ, and again ignore the facts of Satan working against Paul and others by saying the Jews are Satan.

So you solve your other problems by assigning a totally different meaning to a term that causes you problems.

You can explain anything you like. It is easy if you just ignore the words used, or change the meanings to suit yourself, or use the magic word "figurative" to make it mean something else entirely.

why can you not just read the passage and understand what it says?


#386940 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 11 September 2014 - 06:22 AM

Rev 20:1  And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 
Rev 20:2  And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 
Rev 20:3  And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 
Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 
Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 
Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 
Rev 20:7  And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 
Rev 20:8  And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 
Rev 20:9  And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 
Rev 20:10  And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 
Rev 20:11  And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 
Rev 20:12  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 
Rev 20:13  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 
Rev 20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 
Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. 
 
Let's have a close look at this passage then.
Satan is bound for "a thousand years". 
During this "thousand years", which is called in vs 3 "the thousand years" (a definite statement by the way), Satan has no influence on the earth - he cannot for he is bound in the bottomless pit, and is not released until "the thousand years" (a definite statement by the way) are expired according to vs 7.
 
If this were the millennial kingdom then Satan would have no influence. But Satan is mentioned as having influence in about 12 verses in the New Testament apart from the Gospels and the book of Revelation. In fact Paul was adamant about it:
1Th_2:18  Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us. 
 
Paul says quite specifically, "Satan hindered us". So Satan has been at work in the time of the Epistles.
Rev 2 tells us that Satan has a dwelling place during their time:
Rev_2:13  I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 
 
Note here that Antipas "was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth". So John apparently understood that Satan dwelt among men at some stage.
 

The time that Satan is bound is referred to as "the thousand years" not just a thousand years, so the clear implication is that it is a literal one thousand year time period.

 

After this thousand years, when Satan is loosed, he goes about to deceive the nations, and gathers them together to battle, and they surround the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. This great army raised up by Satan from among men of the nations, is destroyed by fire from heaven, and then the Devil is cast into the lake of fire.

 

Now I think (!) I am right in suggesting that even Covey doesn't think this last battle has happened yet.........

 

But during this thousand years certain things happen:

 

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 
 
Now we have an interesting situation here. There are thrones during this thousand years - but the ones who sit on these thrones sit in judgement. Now there have been rulers on thrones throughout history, so it would seem that these are not the average thrones, but special one concerning God's judgement.
Also John saw souls of people who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God. Now the actual passage itself doesn't say when these were beheaded, but we do know that these were they who had not worshipped the beast, nor his image, and they had not received his mark. This indicates that they were beheaded during the time that these things were specifically happening.
 
Now the place where we see this mark happening is:
Rev 13:15  And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 
Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 
Rev 13:17  And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 
 
Earlier in that chapter we see that all the world apart from the saints worship this beast. I don't see where in history we have seen this happen, and yet it happens BEFORE the thousand years begins. This must be before the present age in Covey's timeline.
 
So these souls that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, were beheaded BEFORE the thousand years starts, for that thousand years starts in chapter 20, a full 7 chapters after we see the beast and the mark.
 
 
Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 
Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 
 
So these souls shall reign with Christ a thousand years - there is a slight issue about how they can live for a thousand years, but the bigger question is how they can reign AFTER they were beheaded.
 
This is just a little look at the details of the ACTUAL PASSAGE that speaks specifically of the thousand years.
 
Now matter how you cut it, these things are not happening now, and since it specifically and constantly speaks of "the thousand years" amongst references to "a thousand years", the idea of this "thousand years lasting an indeterminate period of time is laughable.



#386923 Guaranteed To Stay Married...

Posted by DaveW on 11 September 2014 - 12:43 AM

Ban NN for reminding me of my past. ....
:lol:


#386916 If Anyone Wants To Know What I Look Like...

Posted by DaveW on 10 September 2014 - 11:12 PM

Well, after reading yours, I thought I should describe myself.

Imagine a face like Robert Redford on a body like Bruce Lee (but taller).
Now with that image in your mind, know that I, like NN, also look nothing like that. :lol:


#386914 If Anyone Wants To Know What I Look Like...

Posted by DaveW on 10 September 2014 - 10:58 PM

...imagine an Americanized version of Prince William of England with a little bit of George Bush mixed in.

Okay...got it?

I look nothing like that. :nuts:



Are you OK NN?

I am beginning to get worried about your 'health'. :lol:

I can call some friends who would be happy to come and pick you up. They have a nice comfy white coat for you, where you can sit and cuddle yourself all day long, and a nice hotel room with mattresses on the walls so you can even sleep standing up if you want to.

(Just so everyone understands - I am joking here....)


#386909 "Ban The Person Above You" Game

Posted by DaveW on 10 September 2014 - 09:36 PM

Ban GP for stealing 2b's bump.


Ban NN for what can only be described as a "Dad joke". :lol:


#386817 Do You Believe There Was Not Rain Before The Flood Of Noah?

Posted by DaveW on 10 September 2014 - 08:26 AM

Once again we have assumption presented as "Fact".

 

Fact - the Bible says:

Gen 2:4  These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 
Gen 2:5  And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 
Gen 2:6  But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 
Gen 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 
Gen 2:8  And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 
 
Nowhere in this passage does it say that the Lord made it rain after he put man there.
 
Facts from the passage are:
1. God had not caused it to rain.
2. There was no man to till the ground.
3. A mist went up and watered the whole face of the ground.
4. God formed the man.
5. rain is not mentioned again in God's Word until: Gen_7:4  For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. 
 
Nowhere does it say it rained before the flood.
Nowhere does it say that it DIDN'T rain at all before the flood.
Rain is not mentioned as occurring UNTIL the flood.
Prior to that the ONLY mention of rain is that it DIDN'T rain, but a mist went up and watered the ground.
 
The easiest assumption to make is that there was no rain until the rains of the flood. BUT THIS IS AN ASSUMPTION - however it is the most likely assumption and certainly fits the Bible text better than saying that it rained as soon as man was made.
 
That assumption (That it rained after man was made) is not indicated in the language.
 
But you can not get away from the FACT that rain is mentioned only once before the flood, and that is in the negative ie. it DIDN'T rain.
The next time rain is mentioned, it is that it DID rain - to cause the flood.



#386653 My Office Has Been Bugged!

Posted by DaveW on 09 September 2014 - 12:57 AM

This is harder than I thought........

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