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#397067 Concerning Daniel 9:24-27

Posted by DaveW on 14 December 2014 - 07:22 PM

"I intend on posting sometime soon. Have more important things than revealing false views of scripture online right now."

Well we have seen Covey reveal his false views, and Invicta post some confusingly disjointed reference to his - can't wait for the details of yours.


#396805 Sheep, Shepherd, Or Wolf?

Posted by DaveW on 11 December 2014 - 08:05 PM

What branch of Pentecostals believes one can lose their salvation? I've never personally met a Pentecostal who had that view.

I've never personally met a pentecostal that DIDN'T have that view......

#396577 Concerning Daniel 9:24-27

Posted by DaveW on 09 December 2014 - 05:09 PM

Ok folks - carefully read my explanation, and look at this false teacher's comments. It quickly becomes obvious how much twisting and misrepresentation of God's Word is required to follow these ridiculous blue comments.

There is a lack of research evident, a lack of understanding of words, terms, and sentence structure, and a simple denial of plainly stated facts.

If this set of replies does not seal this in everyone's mind, then it is obvious that this false teachers has achieved part if his goal of deception.

Wait for further installments from him on other subjects.

#396485 Posting Scripture......

Posted by DaveW on 08 December 2014 - 04:47 PM

I must point out that simply posting Scripture does not make a post correct.
There have been numerous posters on this site over the years who post vast amounts of Scripture in their posts, but their misuse of, abuse of, and misrepresentation of those Scriptures to teach false doctrine has resulted in them being banned.

Even Satan has (mis)used Scripture, by quoting certain passages.

So the mere fact of posting Scripture in an answer does not make the answer automatically correct.

And to point out the error without using Scripture in response is not automatically wrong.

#396455 Matthew 24

Posted by DaveW on 08 December 2014 - 10:33 AM

Dan 9
 24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
 26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
 27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

First thing:
This prophecy is to do with "thy people and thy holy city."
The whole 70 weeks. Israel is the people, Jerusalem is the city. This prophecy has nothing to do with the churches. Vs 24 states that plainly.

The timing starts from the command to build the city.
This gives us the start point of this countdown.
Smarter men than I have calculated the end of the 69th weeks of years to precisely coincide with the death of Christ.
Coincidentally vs 26 says after the 69th week Messiah is cut off. This is obviously by the context referring to the death of Christ - no other event fits the description, and the timing from the decree works too.
Vs 26 continues on to note that the city and the sanctuary are destroyed, there is a flood, and a war of desolation.
All this happens after the 69th week begins.
We know this because the next and only other week mentioned - this must be the 70th week - is in vs 27.
Here a covenant is confirmed for a week. This is the final week of the 70.
In the midst of that week the sacrifice and oblation are caused to cease.

This is the plain order of events according to Dan 9.
You will note that the events of vs 26 happen after the end of week 69 but before the beginning of week 70.

The final week can not possibly be an I start continuation from week 69, for there must be time for the vs 26 events to occur.

You will note that although the gap is written into to passage, there is no indication of the duration of the gap in Dan 9.
The existence of the gap is evident, the timing of the gap is evident (after week 69 ends), but the duration of the gap is not.

Note : the ceasing of the sacrifice and oblation CAN NOT be referring to the death of Christ as dome false teachers promote, as the sacrifice etc continued while t he Temple was in existence. It does not refer to the effectiveness of the sacrifice, but the practice.
This means that for those to make the death of Christ the middle of the 70th week for that reason MUST have a gap as well, for we know the sacrifice continued TO BE PERFORMED after Christ's death.
Note further that Daniel makes no reference to "this generation".

The simple and plain reading of Daniel 9 denotes a gap between the 69th week and the 70th week.

So, if you read the passage without someone putting lies in your ear, you must come to the conclusion that vs 26 happens after week 69 and before week 70.
That is what it says.

Now wait for the lies and misrepresentation to spew forth.......

#396413 Matthew 24

Posted by DaveW on 07 December 2014 - 08:01 PM

Would you care to explain how it was different in kind to any tribulation that had been suffered?

#396226 Matthew 24

Posted by DaveW on 06 December 2014 - 05:21 PM

Please give a link - mine is evident in almost every post.

Yes it is.....

#395008 I Want To Leave Home.

Posted by DaveW on 27 November 2014 - 10:05 PM

1Pe 3:1  Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe 3:2  While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

A better way to look at it is as an opportunity to bring him to salvation.

It WILL be hard for you, but if he needs to be saved, and is now bedridden, your testimony may be his only hope of salvation.

Allowing the Lord to work through you in this situation could be the thing that he needs to see the Lord in you, and see his own need of salvation.

#394846 Pilgrims & Baptists: The Little Known Connection

Posted by DaveW on 26 November 2014 - 08:35 PM

Beware the sly attempt to of this article to make Baptists into protestants.

#394363 Matthew 24

Posted by DaveW on 23 November 2014 - 08:50 AM

"Satan has more than one trick up his bejewelled sleeve, and extra-Biblical terms is one of them."

You mean like "bejewelled"?

#394143 David Cloud

Posted by DaveW on 20 November 2014 - 04:55 PM

Para-church organisation.

They do good work - I use their videos - but they will go off the rails. All Para-church organisation's do, because there is no church to keep them on track.

This means we should be careful about what we use from them, and be careful about blanket recommendations.

The fantastic thing about videos, dvd's etc, is that the speaker always says the same thing - every single time!
So you can know what is going to be said every time.

Although I use their materials, I would never have them speak at my church - for that reason - you don't know what doctrines may be (even inadvertently) mentioned.

#394108 Matthew 24

Posted by DaveW on 20 November 2014 - 07:23 AM

It would be so much more convincing if you properly addressed the points that have been brought up properly.

Your normal MO (as with JW'S, Mormons, etc) is to introduce so many points that you don't have to answer any of them and can simply sidestep from one to another when it gets sticky.

I asked about ALL the signs mentioned in the passage - which "that Generation" will see.
You conveniently left out those verses in their entirety, and refused to address them at all.

As to tribulation - it plainly says:
 21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

There will never be as great tribulation on as that seen at this time - and it is very plain on its meaning.
There has been greater tribulation seen than the AD70 destruction, and to deny that is simply ridiculous.

How about you stick to a single point and answer it adequately and specifically?

#394088 Way Of Life - When Was The Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?

Posted by DaveW on 19 November 2014 - 07:33 PM

If it is clear and abundant, please show where.



Why don't you do a search on previous discussions and actually read them?

#394081 Matthew 24

Posted by DaveW on 19 November 2014 - 04:45 PM

You might not see a problem with the other signs but they are specific and plain - and as yet unfulfilled.
And it is the generation that sees those signs which shall not pass.

And fleeing the city...... of course the only time that has ever happened was AD70, wasn't it.
Well, guess what - there is still a city and it is still inhabited by Jews. Considering the other signs are clearly as yet unfulfilled, and the potential for the fleeing of the city is still there, it makes no sense to tie down that event to AD70 - there is no Scriptural reason to do so.

#394018 Matthew 24

Posted by DaveW on 19 November 2014 - 04:55 AM

You apply vs 34 to AD70 destruction of Jerusalem.
 33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. note

 34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The fact is it relates to the Generation that sees these things - but what are these things?
Not the destruction of Jerusalem - not even mentioned....

The previous things:

27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 28  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
 29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
 30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Nup - not seen in history - the generation Jesus was speaking to did not see this stuff.

Matthew 24 can not refer to the destruction of Jerusalem nor can it relate to the Generation that Jesus was then speaking to.
They did not see these things. "This generation" is the generation that sees these things.

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