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#397326 Questioning One's Belief Or View Of Scriptural Meanings

Posted by ThePilgrim on 18 December 2014 - 11:21 PM

The highlighted portion of John's post is the source of my frustration.  I joined this forum (and a few others) not to debate, but to be a source of encouragement and help.  My expectation with other members is to do the same.  

There are some people who have legitimate questions regarding eschatology that should be answered, but it is impossible to get a SOUND answer on this forum because of the many various systems of interpretation present.  

The frustration comes out because our side has taken great pains to show the many problems with preterism, partial-preterism, a-millenialism, etc., and in great detail.  Our posts are not given any SERIOUS examination, but are blithely dismissed by a misappropriated verse, some undocumented historical reference that is questionable, or some ad hominem against a mythiical "inventor" of the futurist viewpoint.

I have given suggestions for reading and study, only to be told that after "trying" to read a little bit, it seemed to confusing, so they ditched it.  Well, that attitude does not demonstrate any serious consideration from the other side.  I HAVE seriously considered the other side, and find it full of holes, which we routinely point out.  That is why I reject the opposing view point - it raises more questions than it answers.  

There are some aspects about eschatalogy within the futurist point of view that we COULD have good discussions on, but anytime somebody starts a thread on end times events, the preterists high-jack the thread, and off we go again.


That is exactly why some of us have loudly protested the inclusion of professed preterists (or partial preterists) on the forum, since the vast majority of us are futurist in our beliefs.  All they do is stir up strife and confusion, all in the name of trying to "teach" the Scriptures, and the rest of us are not allowed to have a rational DISCUSSION of varying aspects of a system that we can largely agree on.


Yes, frustrating indeed.

In your list of "systems" which you say contain holes you did not list pre-trib.  I assume that is because you "believe" that their is no possibility that your interpretations can be wrong in any fashion.  I assume this because you insist that all other ideas be banned from the forum.  I am not perfect in my wisdom and no one else on this forum is either.  I do not enter into the eschatology debates because I don't think I will have all the answers while my mind still occupies this mortal flesh.  This world is what it is because men who could get along with each other would rather fight about their petty little differences, which in the eternal scheme of things don't amount to a hill of beans.  


John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.  35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
It does not matter what a saved person believes when it comes to the big, important, all consuming, arguments about when our Lord is coming.  When He comes we should be found doing His work and not fighting one another.  What are our priorities anyway?  Protecting our reputations for having great amounts of knowledge and boosting our egos, is that what we are about?  I pray not! 

#396970 Pope Says "dogs Go To Heaven"

Posted by ThePilgrim on 13 December 2014 - 11:50 AM

 "Re 22:15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."


I will not advocate that there will or will not be dogs in heaven, because I do not know.  "Context is everything", someone once said.  Now not being a theologian or even very smart, I do not think this statement about dreadful people and terrible sinners has anything to do with the animal kingdom.  Sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, are definately not animals and neither is the term dogs as used in the sentence.  There are animals referred to throughout prophecy that are not really references to animals but people or nations.  I believe this reference for dogs refers to people with the bad habits or tendencies of dogs.  Although taking a word in the bible as a metaphor can sometimes be a bad thing, this time I think it was used very well.     :hide:

#396879 Sheep, Shepherd, Or Wolf?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 12 December 2014 - 03:52 PM

You're evidently not from a rural area. :)

Here, try this....




Many, many years ago when I was twenty three
I was married to a Wider[widow] who was purty[pretty] as could be
This Wider had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red
My father fell in love with her and soon they two were wed

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life
My daughter was my mother cause she was my father's wife
To complicate the matter even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad

And so became my uncle though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle then that also made him brother
Of the Wider's grown up daughter who of course was my step-mother


I'm my own grampa,
I'm my own grampa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grampa



My father's wife then had a son who kept them on the run
And he became my granchild for he was my daughters son
My wife is now my mother's mother and it makes me blue
Because although she is my wife she's my grandmother too


I'm my own grampa,
I'm my own grampa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grampa


Now if my wife is my grandmother then I'm her grandchild
And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild
For now I have become strangest case you ever saw
As husband of my grandmother I'm my own grampa


I'm my own grampa,
I'm my own grampa
It sounds funny I know
But it really is so
I'm my own grampa

There is no need to bring my family into this thread at all.  :verymad:

#396522 If Anyone Wants To Know What I Look Like...

Posted by ThePilgrim on 08 December 2014 - 11:33 PM

Wow! Nice outfit.  Walmart or Gentleman's Wearhouse?

#396521 Really?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 08 December 2014 - 11:31 PM

Not to worry, they will see less than they can see on Google.  

#396283 ‘Pope Francis’ Bows Head In ‘Silent Adoration’ Beside Islamic Grand Mufti In...

Posted by ThePilgrim on 06 December 2014 - 07:19 PM

Is anybody getting the notion yet that the pope (just like Christians thruout the ages) might just end up after all being the False Prophet foretold.  I don't know if it's this one, but I do believe it will be him or a future one.  Then again as in so many other matters ( that people like to make wild guesses on) on could be totally wrong.  Those last two sentences were to make sure I cover both sides of the issue, kinda' like a mugwump.

#396220 random fact game

Posted by ThePilgrim on 06 December 2014 - 01:46 PM

When I was a child many believed blowing cigarette smoke in the ear of someone with an earache would make them feel better.

Yeah, I heard that one too.  A lot of politicians must have heard it also.  They are blowing smoke all the time.

#396092 We Are At War. . . . Again

Posted by ThePilgrim on 05 December 2014 - 11:11 AM

Although I don't agree with Ron Paul on a lot of things, we do seem to agree on this one.



#395978 Last one to post in this thread wins

Posted by ThePilgrim on 04 December 2014 - 08:08 PM

The older I get and the more times I go to the doctor or hospital, the more afraid my veins get.  They just keep going deeper every time I get a blood draw.  Cowards!

#395767 Pope Says It Is Wrong To Equate Islam With Violence

Posted by ThePilgrim on 03 December 2014 - 01:52 PM

Do we want to spend our time teaching the lost world  what the true meaning of fundamentalism is or do we want to spend our time teaching them the gospel?  :scratchchin:

#395664 "Ban The Person Above You" Game

Posted by ThePilgrim on 02 December 2014 - 08:05 PM

Ban Jim for getting a little hasty with his tasty. :bleh:

#395642 "Ban The Person Above You" Game

Posted by ThePilgrim on 02 December 2014 - 06:57 PM

Ban Happy for getting testy about her tastey turkey.  :coffee2:

#395578 Pope Says It Is Wrong To Equate Islam With Violence

Posted by ThePilgrim on 02 December 2014 - 12:35 PM

I just say to people, "I believe what the bible says."  They can take that anyway they want.  They usually say, "Well anybody can interpret the bible anyway they want."  I say, "I never interpret it, I just read it and believe it."  And that's the truth!  :frog:

#395483 random fact game

Posted by ThePilgrim on 01 December 2014 - 08:36 PM

One of our famous politicians, Warren G. Harding said, "The business of America is business."  Well I guess one of those business' is selling arms to anyone who can afford to buy them.  And if they don't have the cash they can always borrow it from the banks, they seem to have an endless supply.  Another famous politician, Neville Chamberlain I believe, said "peace in our time."  Yeah, right!

#395423 Pilgrims & Baptists: The Little Known Connection

Posted by ThePilgrim on 01 December 2014 - 02:05 PM

Well as for me I don't remember being taught much at all in grade school (in the 40s and 50s) about the pilgrims except that they enjoyed a great meal with the indians.  I never attended highschool so I didn't learn anything there of course.  But in college (in the early 90s) I was told that the puritans and pilgrims were a bunch of bigoted religious fanatics who loved to burn witches and commited other heinous deeds.  Fortunately I am pretty much educated by my own reading and the school of hard knocks.  So I know that the puritans were not angels nor were they the devils spawn but they were good and they were bad . . . . they were human and people of their time.  Too many people tend to look at people of the past as if those people should be of the same mindset as people in our time, but time and circumstances make different people.  Flaws many and virtues many . . . . in the end . . . . only human.  I am certain that the Baptist sitting in your living room or study is not the same Baptist (by whatever name he was called) that was around in earlier times.

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