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#392448 Father, Forgive Them

Posted by Invicta on Yesterday, 07:27 PM

I would agree that the specific sins were the context: those crucifying Jesus, and those stoning Stephen. 


That jesus' request was granted is plain, because He is God, and He Himself forgives sin. No reason to believe it wasn't the case here. Though I don't see in the context of it having to do with any other sins, or their general lost condition. Though at least one present DID, indeed, find faith and salvation in Christ, the thief next to Jesus.


In the case of Stephen's prayer, we can't know whether this was forgiven or not-this is between the Lord, Stephen and those stoning him. It is possible they weren't forgiven for this, unless they found salvation, but I suppose we'll know one day. It wouldn't have mattered if they continued on in sin, except that, if they were forgiven for this one, perhaps their eternal jucdgment will not be as bad as if they were held against them.


It is possible some at the cross were converted because:


Matt 24:54  Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. 

#392284 Way Of Life - Preacher Says "the Brethren" Are Galled With Brother C...

Posted by Ukulelemike on 28 October 2014 - 09:34 AM

A shame this has to continue this way. I suspect that many who accuse Cloud of pride, get that from such letters as this, when, in order to justify his knowledge in the subject, he tells them his experience and studies and such, which, if it were done any other way, would seem like pride. However, I don't see it that way, I see it as him listing his credentials, much as Paul did when he spoke of his earthly credentials, the stock of benjamin, circumcised the 8th day, etc. he wasnt lifting himself up in these things, but showing that he, of all people, understood the Jews and their religion, so he was the perfect person, as it were, to preach to the Jews.


I have some disagreements with David Cloud, but I absolutely agree with his assessment of the musical issues he deals with often, and we have much history and proof in churches who were once solid, but in allowing more and more worldly music in, they have since left IFB and become rock and roll concernt churches that teach false doctrines and licentiousness. Its not like it has never happened. They are allowing fire in their bosom-they will get burned.

#391441 Sermon Supoenaes

Posted by DaveW on 15 October 2014 - 05:50 PM

What an opportunity though!
Someone will have to read an examine all those sermons.......

#391303 The Never Ending Story...

Posted by No Nicolaitans on 14 October 2014 - 12:54 PM

...sister's husband's father twice removed.

#343724 Do Preterists Apply Same Rules To Unfulfilled Prophecies As They Do To Fulful...

Posted by John81 on 15 September 2013 - 12:34 PM

John, it took me awhile to understand you, and I have come to appreciate and respect your position on many things.  You generally give us very good, solid input. 

When it comes to this issue though, my approach is the same as it is on other issues.  You know very well what II Timothy 3:16-17 tells us.  The Lord God Almighty gave us His Scripture so that we could understand (among other things) correct doctrine. 

While I agree that we should be ready for the return of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, I believe we SHOULD be attempting to "figure out" the details of His return.  I believe the pre-millennial, dispensational view has the best answers, deals with the Scripture as it stands, and does so without creating any contradictions.  Again, I reference Isa. 28:9-13 - it will not all be laying out on the surface.  It will require effort, time, study, meditation, and prayer to come to the right conclusions, but the right conclusions can be attained.


In Christ,

My meaning may not have been clear. I wasn't saying that we shouldn't strive to understand whether the amil, premil, mid trib or some other view best fits the Scripture. That's something I strive for myself, and while I do see some good arguments for at least two or three of the views (there is overlap in some of these) I've yet to see any view presented that is 100% air tight solid. This is why I continue to study the matter and attempt to maintain a teachable spirit in this.


I know you hold to the premil view so I will address that. Over the years I've read more regarding the premil view than any other view. One thing that's been a problem is that even among the premil believers, there are several points they don't agree upon. Some of those points probably don't really matter much, but others are rather significant. Some also have a very convoluted way of trying to present the premil view. When it comes to premil folks online, I've encountered a great deal of haughtiness, quickness to attack and shallow defenses of the actual premil view (I'm not referring this observation to anyone here on OB, that observation is from elsewhere online). I've probably mentioned this before, but thus far I've found Pastor David Jeremiah's explanation and defense of the premil view to be the most comprehensible, clear and sound of all that I've read/heard on the subject.


In any event, I apologize for giving the wrong impression in my previous post. Were I not interested in learning more in this area, I wouldn't read these threads nor give the postings serious consideration and study. I appreciate those who attempt to clearly and biblically articulate their end-time views and I give them due consideration.

#390960 Questions For Ifb On Several Issues

Posted by John81 on 12 October 2014 - 06:35 PM

For the entire time I've been here this site has been fueled by discussion/debate. Years back there were a few who would stick to biblical reasoning in their discussions/debates with those they had disagreement rather than calls for silencing other views, simply declaring them false or such. Typically, those presenting another side would either give up and leave, or they would be the ones resorting to fleshly name calling, personal attacks and such which would often lead to them being stopped by Mods, their banning or them grabbing their ball and going home on their own.


During the few times when there was no discussion/debate this site has ground almost to a halt. Threads where everyone agrees tend to receive few responses. I started a simple thread on prayer and only a few responses, yet if someone posts something about Calvinism, Post-trib rapture, women and pants or similar postings and that thread will burst with responses.


If anything, we need to hone our fruits of the Spirit and we need to hone our defense of what we say we believe and we need to hone our discussion skills. We should be able to see a topic we disagree with and have the patience, gentleness, self-control, love and kindness to respond in a civil manner in way that may be edifying to readers. We should be able to present our view through decent application of Scripture rather than name-calling, personal attacks and anger. We should be able to carry on a rational discussion on an internet board without our flesh taking control.


Yeah, I know, that's a lot more work than simply making a quick post declaring someone to be wrong, uneducated, and needing to move on, but it's by far the more edifying manner and the more biblically correct manner. Iron sharpeneth iron but if we refuse to engage through sound scriptural reasoning, we are not being sharpened and neither are others.

#390765 Latest Prognosis From Who And Cdc

Posted by John81 on 11 October 2014 - 07:58 AM

The more I study this out the more I believe this is another created or manufactured crisis for the sake of political expediency.


Only a matter of days ago we were being told by Obama and government officials there was no threat to the USA from Ebola. Then suddenly there was a shift and declarations of there being a great threat unless the Ebola issue isn't addressed in Africa. How do they want to deal with this? Naturally through the transfer of a billion dollars!


How convenient that this "sudden crisis" (that just days ago wasn't a crisis) has afforded Obama the opportunity to do what he's been wanting to do, pour more American money into Africa. He's already used this situation to send twice the military personnel to Africa and budget twice the amount of money to their mission than to fighting ISIS (another issue that's not a threat but then suddenly is said to be a threat).


Not only Dems but many Repubs are on board with the president in wanting to transfer a billion dollars from the military budget to "combat" Ebola in Africa. How much of that billion dollars will actually be used for that purpose?


How much sense does it make to take a billion dollars out of the military budget to fight a disease in Africa, especially when that billion dollars has to be borrowed from China at interest? Why is it we can't tend to important matters within this country, such as sealing our southern border and getting illegals out of the country, because we don't have the money for such, but we continually send billions of dollars to other countries each year for exceedingly minimal returns, all the while paying interest on the money we borrowed to give to others?

#390772 Understanding Hebrews -2

Posted by Jim_Alaska on 11 October 2014 - 10:46 AM

Have any of you tried baking a loaf of bread without leaven?


When baking bread, leaven is a good ingredient, it makes the bread rise. But in His parables Jesus is not using leaven to describe something good. Leaven is, after all, a corrupting agent and in scripture it almost always points to either sin or corruption.


Surely Jesus means that when a person receives with meekness the engrafted Word, it works within him, as leaven works within the dough, transforming him in every part.


Again, these teachings are parables, which was a common form of teaching in Jesus day. A parable is a story of two different things that point to one Scriptural truth. If we acknowledge that leaven is either sin or a corrupting influence, we cannot in good consciece assert that it is an illustration of God's Word as Covenanter speculates. The subject in these parables is the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is composed of all professing Christianity. His parables were given to hide things from some and reveal them to others.   Lu 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.


So if we assume that the grain was good to begin with and a corrupting agent was introduced, we can see the clear teaching that within the Kingdom of God there will be false doctrine (leaven) that will corrupt God's Word, resulting in false religion. This is also a warning to His true churches that "a little leaven, leaveneth the whole lump."


I also find it interesting that tjhis corruption was done by a woman, which by the way is many times in scripture indicative of false religion. Also interesting is the fact that it was done stealthily; she "hid" it. We don't hide the word of God, but proclaim it to all.


I have to stop here, this is way off the subject of Hebrews, but I felt I had to speak to the issue that Covenanter so wrongly divided.


#390768 Understanding Hebrews -2

Posted by John81 on 11 October 2014 - 08:35 AM

Done, but to no avail.

You seem to be more intent on stopping me from pointing out false teaching than worrying about that false teaching.


I'm not intent upon stopping you, but what you are doing isn't actually pointing out false teaching. The only way to confront what one believes to be false teaching is to put forth the truth. Simply declaring something false, complaining about certain things, calling for people to be banned, doesn't point to a teaching being false.


If a scriptural rebuttal to anything is put forth, it's never to no avail for God's Word doesn't return void. If we interject our own things into a post that may be to no avail, but not the putting forth of Scripture.


The putting forth of Scripture on a matter should be for the edification of all who read it.


If you believe continually declaring a post to be false or saying anyone you don't believe is IFB or what they are posting isn't IFB should be banned, that's entirely up to you and I'm not trying to tell you to stop. I only pointed out that if I (myself) was as impassioned about the matter as you appear to be, then I (myself) would either post Scripture on the matter and allow the Scripture to speak, or I would refrain from looking at the thread in question; but that's just me, and I don't say that's what you have to do, need to do, or should do.

#390366 The Never Ending Story...

Posted by No Nicolaitans on 07 October 2014 - 08:51 PM

Dueling Banjos.

#390211 A Sounds Gospel Tract

Posted by Ukulelemike on 06 October 2014 - 02:10 PM

I think we are somewhat seeking to squeeze camels through needles, here.


Jordan has a good point, and if I understand it clearly, maybe I can simplify it:


The hardest thing to do with folks today is to convince them they are sinners. yes, the Spirit convicts, but he uses us to convince with words, while He turns the heart. The Commandments, at least the nine that apply in the NT, lays out some very easy to understand concepts of what 'sin' is: Stealing, lying, adultery, et al. It makes concrete the (to the lost) vague concept of 'sin'. And any ONE sin will bring a person to hell, without that sin, and all others, being washed away by the blood of Christ. So, we use the commandments, because they Do describe sin, to show a person that they have sinned, and because they have sinned, they are bound for hell, and rightfully so.


So using the commandments in conjunction with, say, "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God", shows that 1: we are all sinners, and, 2: because of that we fall short of God's demand of holiness and righteousness, without Christ.


No one is saying that we must all adhere to the commandments and laws-Christ nailed the commandments and law to His cross-but those who are not yet covered by the cross of Christ, as it were, are still lost.


People need to know WHAT sin IS, becfore they can accept that they HAVE sinned and are lost. I believe this is an excellent way to do it. Not always the only way, but definitely one.

#390167 Christmas Tree Or No?

Posted by John81 on 05 October 2014 - 07:36 PM

Most people love any excuse to celebrate and don't really care, or often know, the reason, history or anything of a holiday other that it's there.


We have a Thanksgiving Day in America (as do some other countries) which originated as a day to thank God for the harvest and bringing folks through another year. Today most everyone in America celebrates Thanksgiving, but few actually truly use the day as a specific day to be giving thanks to God. Sure, some folks say a prayer before they have a huge feast, but that's about it. For many, there isn't even that. It's just an excuse to gorge oneself on a huge feast of food and then drink beer and watch football, or go out shopping for all the special deals.


It's odd to note the many different versions of "historical fact" that preachers have put forth, in book and sermon, regarding Christmas both pro and con. I've read many which proclaim Jesus had to have been born in the fall, others say spring, yet there are some that declare Jesus probably was actually born on or about December 25th. At the same time I've read several different versions of the origins of Christmas and various things dealing with Christmas, from Christmas trees to candy canes.


All this while the masses don't know, don't care and are neither celebrating any pagan god or Christ.

#389910 Can We Help Someone?

Posted by Jim_Alaska on 02 October 2014 - 08:26 PM

This is in the true spirit of, "pay it foreward." Very touching, thanks for posting it Larry. If you're an old softy, join the group, I'm right up there with you.


My wife posted this picture on her blog, she entitled it "The Big Softy."  In this picture our new little Nubian goat kid was a very sick little girl. She snuggled right in.


The big SOFTY doesn't want any stinking goats. He acts like it huh?



#389905 They Are Keeping Us Safe, Aren't They?

Posted by John81 on 02 October 2014 - 07:59 PM

If the disease was spreading in and from Iceland they probably would have shut down all transportation from there. However, since it's in Africa, doing so would be perceived as racist so they have self-imposed a much higher standard for taking such actions in order to not appear racist.


This is the same reason they keep refusing to admit Islam is a violent religion and that several crimes committed here were acts of Islamic terror. They don't want to offend Muslims or risk making anyone think badly of Islam because that would be racist and other "ists" they are willing to sacrifice American lives over in order to avoid such names.

#389886 Christmas Tree Or No?

Posted by Genevanpreacher on 02 October 2014 - 03:44 PM

A little off subject...


We as a family in our own home do celebrate a 'holiday', sorta...we celebrate what we call "Family Day".

A day where we fix all kinds of desserts and snacks and different 'meal' type foods that we don't usually get for eating, and my wife and I buy gifts

for our children that are special to them from us. Maybe something we know they would love, or had talked about before and were never able to get it themselves.


The day is about celebrating the day my wife and I met.


The children love it, and we love doing it, and it gives us good memories that some people get from celebrating christmas.


We met while Christmas Caroling. 


I had just got a job where I worked with a lady from her church, and she invited me to caroling with their church

at the local nursing homes, of course my 'wife to be' was the real reason the lady asked me to go. We met

and we haven't stopped 'hanging around' each other since!


Our 'song' - "Silent Night, Holy Night".


When we celebrate? The date of our 'meeting' - December 12.


God has been very gracious in putting a great love for each other in our hearts.

That makes for a great marriage, for which I am very thankful.

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