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#386497 Would This Be A Good Church?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 08 September 2014 - 01:07 PM

Looks to me like the typical modern "lets go have fun" church.  Okay, I may be showing my age, but the pictures of the crew that runs the place give me a bad feeling.  The only mature looking guy in the bunch is the maintenance man.  While it is a good idea to have a mature individual to keep the building from falling apart, isnt it also important to have some mature individuals to keep the church from falling apart?  I think you can count it the services and "groups" to be hip and up to date.  Contemporariness shows on the faces of the staff.  Even the way their articles of faith are stated is an attempt to be contempory instead of "old fashioned".  In with the new - out with the old.  



The Old Curmudgeon

#386091 Makes You Think...

Posted by ThePilgrim on 06 September 2014 - 11:21 AM

If the Antichrist were here and I met him walking down the street it wouldn't change a thing in my life.  He would be just another important world figure who could make decisions that may mean life or death for me or millions but could not really affect anyone's (including mine) eternal destiny.  I guess that was just my long, drawnout way of saying "who cares".  God is in control.

#385296 "Ban The Person Above You" Game

Posted by ThePilgrim on 02 September 2014 - 04:43 PM

For crying out loud, ban 2b . . 

Eccl 3:4
4 A time to weep, 

#385294 Whats for Supper...

Posted by ThePilgrim on 02 September 2014 - 04:15 PM

Harvested my jalapeno's and canned them today.  Tired, just going to to have pancakes, fried eggs, and bacon tonight.

#384854 Uk Folks

Posted by ThePilgrim on 31 August 2014 - 03:49 PM

This is a thing that the Lord has commanded his people to do: Matt 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
I have found that many people going into the ministry think of this as meaning that they should pack up their gear and run off to some foreign land.  I think for a country such as ours which has fallen so far from where it once was before God that this is not the only mission field.  Going to ends of the earth to tell the good news of the gospel might mean that you may end up going just a few miles away from where you are right now.  The earth is round and the end of the earth, when looking out your front door is actually right behind you at your back door.
I look around the Portland, Or area (which Hillsboro is a suburb of) and I see a dearth of neighborhood churches.  I see large chuches around the cities in the more prosperous areas but very very few local neighborhood churches.  I see lots of church starts in the suburbs but few in the crowded areas of the cities.  Jesus did not teach that only the prosperous would get into His kingdom.  How often does He speak of the poor being blessed versus the rich being blessed?  
I guess you can't really blame young bible school and seminary graduates for wanting a comfortable life in the suburbs, nor can you blame them for wanting to spend some time in a foreign land, but who is going to preach to the poor just a few miles away in the inner city and the poorer areas of the Portland metro area.  Missionaries from all over the world are supported by the churches I have attended, but I can't remember a one that was a missionary to someplace in the Portland metro area.
Oh sure, big names like Billy Graham and Louis Palau come to the colosseum or the sports stadium and get some so-called decisions from the mostly middle class audience from the suburbs.  Even if some of the poor are there and "go forward" what then?  Where do they go?  They get lost in the shuffle!  The big churches including the Catholics and Episcopalians get the affluent and middle class but there no neighborhood church to invite poor Mr. Jones.
Just some thoughts . . . . no answers.

#382742 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by ThePilgrim on 20 August 2014 - 11:05 AM

Here's a tongue twister...I believe a believer is a believer as long as the believer still believes. :-)

That is probably true if we are discussing Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, however not true when discussing my ever faithful and true savior Jesus who will never ever let me fall from His hand.

#382474 Last one to post in this thread wins

Posted by ThePilgrim on 18 August 2014 - 04:02 PM

I don't expect to find it hard to get used to heaven, having lived in Oregon most of my life.  :hide:

#382470 "Ban The Person Above You" Game

Posted by ThePilgrim on 18 August 2014 - 03:54 PM

Ban Pilgrim for being hesitant to get into the thread (how's that for no reason?   :nuts: )

Very cruel,  :tapping: so ban Happy.  :verymad: Oh" and Rosie too.

#382449 Iraq Or U.s.a.?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 18 August 2014 - 12:16 PM

It's interesting that the local police, after totally dropping the ball on the first night, initiated virtual martial law while denying they were infringing on citizens constitutional rights; and the Missouri governor denounced that and said he was taking over. Then the governor sends in the State police with orders to put on kids gloves. When that didn't work, and he/State police dropped the ball and allowed more rioting/looting, they started adopting more of the tactics the locals had finally used but with nice words sprinkled about. That didn't work. Now the governor has called in the National Guard but as of yet I've not heard their rules of engagement.


Meanwhile, the citizens and business owners are taking big hits.


If what they (the police and media) reported earlier was true, that a few small groups broke from the main protest group and they were the ones who rioted/looted, why weren't forces deployed to surround and arrest these small groups? Why on the first night the State police were in charge did the police refuse to respond to calls for help from citizens and business owners when shops were being ransacked and looted? Why weren't they at least prepared to deal with the same thing after that?

All good questions, John.  I don't know if they are rhetorical or not and I don't know if my answers are correct or not. (probably not)  I believe those in power desire things to get out of hand.  How else can they justify the Police State.  How else to justify their armed personnel carriers with mounted 50 cal. machine guns?  How else to justify military tactics against the populous?  We are not all rioters, we are not all criminals.  Only a tiny minority of even the black population is causing trouble . . . . but we need the National Guard?  Somebody thinks we need controlling and by any means necesary.


When they are out to get you, it is not paranoia that causes you to feel threatened, it is good sense.   :th_wellduh:

#382330 Communication

Posted by ThePilgrim on 16 August 2014 - 10:27 PM

Is not the communication on this site non verbal?

Yes indeed it is and I am glad it is.  You see some (such as I) have trouble with face to face communication.  I can't explain why that is, and I can't say it is a scientific fact, but it is a fact.

I can converse much easier with the written word than I can vocally, face to face.  I have a slow brain I guess, but I need time to pull together what I want to say . . . . to attempt to have it make any semblance of sense at all to another person.  And sometimes even after spending time to pull my thoughts together it still makes little sense to another person.  When speaking I do a lot of stumbling, trying to find a word that might communicate my thought to the other person in a coherant fashion.


I agree we should think about what we are going to say before we say it and I also think sometimes I think we should be silent.  The forum format gives the time to post or respond to a post after a time of thought.  We don't have to put our mouth in gear before the brain is fully engaged.  This brings to mind the posts on time . . . . we creatures have it . . . . lets use it.


I spent some time on this and it may not make any sense but it is what I wrote so I am stuck with it.   :th_wellduh:

#382299 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by ThePilgrim on 16 August 2014 - 11:36 AM

it was a Serious Question.  you either think "from everlasting goes back to the beginning of the six day work of God Gen1:3-31.  or it goes back before Genesis 1:1. 


What we can tell his throne, his person are from everlasting. 


Now when I asked how would you as a man attribute a length of time to be for "From Everlasting"

Time?  Time is something that does not effect God at all.  God was before time and is after time.  Time is a human experience.  God lives in eternity . . . . no beginning no end.  How can such an idea be measured by us?

 It cannot.  Everlasting is a word that will never be fully understood by me or anyone else until we experience it (and then not from it's beginning but it's forever more) in heaven.


Wow, I better get off this subject before I sound completely nuts.  How is it really possible to discuss things that have never been experienced without sounding irrational?

Sorry I tried to answer the question . . . .  :laff cry:

#382263 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by ThePilgrim on 15 August 2014 - 10:48 PM

How far back does "from everlasting" go?

How far is up?  :unsure:  How far is down?   :unsure:

#382262 Ny Farm Fined $13,000 For Declining Lesbian ‘Wedding,’ Ordered To Prove...

Posted by ThePilgrim on 15 August 2014 - 10:46 PM

I really wish someone would do this just to prove a point.

I believe the authorities might arrest and try such a person for hate speech.   :scratchchin:

#382223 Do You Feel Like You're All Alone?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 15 August 2014 - 12:56 PM

I must admit that much of the time I feel like Joshua (only with far less faith) and would like to go off and hide in a cave somrwhere and sometimes I feel like Jeremiah (except no visions etc.) because no one listens to me.

But then I come to my senses and realize that I am just a little man in the scheme of things and why would I think anyone should listen to me.  Also I am not the most most outgoing person in the world so why would I not be alone.


We can't all be popular.  I just live with it and do the best I can with God's help.  

And having this place to spout off once in awhile makes me feel a little better.  So hey, keep those likes coming.  I need them once in awhile.  :thblisshe5:

#382222 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by ThePilgrim on 15 August 2014 - 12:34 PM

I think thew biggest danger of the idea that you can lose your salvation is shown in the fact that everyone I have talked to who believes it ( not being God this is just my opinion) commits some sin or other at some time or other after their "conversion".  (Now I am just taking their word that they were "converted".)  Now since they have admittedly sinned since their "conversion" it seems to be by their own words (that if you sin you can lose your salvation), they must have lost their salvation.  But I have never talked to one who believes they have lost their salvation.  (I guess that just means other sinners and not them personally.)


Arminians seem to believe the loss of salvations only applies to others and not themselves.  Odd thinking.  Just as strange as an extreme Calvinists who believes only he has been chosen.


We all must ask ourselves, "Have I sinned since I claimed Christ as savior?"  

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


God bless,


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