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#358158 "prison For Creationist Because Of Tax Fraud Or His Religion?"

Posted by ThePilgrim on 21 January 2014 - 12:08 PM

Jesus told us to "render unto Caear what is Caesars."  Tax collectors in his day were far more corrupt than anything we see today.  Today we have tax laws and if there is a dispute over what is owed it is litigated in court to interpret and apply the law.  


The IRS agents can be incompetent at times, but the higher up appeals officers are competent and can resolve issues.  This guy there were no grey areas.  He owed the money.  He just was an ostrich who stuck his head in the ground and refused to believe it. Those who fail to pay taxes claiming the income tax is unconstitutional will find themselves in a tax audit one day owing lots of money, plus penalties and interest.  It is not a good or wise thing to do.  "Render unto Caesar" and then rest easy at night.  Christ has other things for us to do here on earth than figure out how to convince ourselves we don't owe taxes.  

Yes you are right about what Jesus said.  The only problem with your application is that the people who promoted and pushed through the income tax laws in 1913 were not but a group of rich and influential businessmen who met on Jekyll Island and cooked up a scheme to totally control the finances of the United States by the creation of the so-called Federal Reserve System.  The laws was unconstitutional then and is constitutional now.


You are right, the IRS can do what ever ite wants to you if you should disobey them.  Sadly that is true.  But the IRS is not and never has been Caesar.  The Federal Reserve and Caesar are not the ones appointed by God to rule over us.


Also I spent four years in college and earned an accounting degree and worked as an accountant for about ten years.  To my chagrin I found that nearly all accountants not in the business to help people but were actually in the business of seeing that the IRS rule and regulations were obeyed.  I saw accountants offering advice that turned their clients into liars and worse to survive in the system.  The tax system in this country is diabolical and evil and certainly not ordained of God.


They can drive you into poverty, they can make your life miserable, yes and they can kill you, but that does not make them good or even necessary to a constitutional republic.


God bless,


#358104 "prison For Creationist Because Of Tax Fraud Or His Religion?"

Posted by ThePilgrim on 20 January 2014 - 10:04 PM

The IRS takes failing to withhold employment taxes from employees wages VERY serious.  This is money owed by employees to the IRS for Social Security and Medicare taxes.  Under the law, the empoyer withholds the money and pays it monthly to the IRS.  This is pure theft when an employer fails to do so.  From what I read, this is what he did, along with fail to file personal returns for many many years.  He was avoiding taxes under some insane theory that he does not owe taxes.  


pure and straight fraud.  The IRS treated this seriously because it was a serious matter.  Perhaps prison could have been avoided IF HE PAID HIS TAXES.  But he continued to evade.  


Actions have consequences.  


He went to jail because he failed to withhold money from employees wages, and failed to pay the funds for withholding taxes to the government.  He also withdrew, over 45 times, amounts just under the $10,000 limit which banks must report to the IRS.  In essence, he willfully failed to pay withholding taxes to the IRS and took withdrawals in cash to evade the reporting requirements.  This is serious business folks.  It is not just him.  I represent a car dealer who went to jail for a similar scheme.  

Sometimes I think the Divine Right of Kings has been replaced in some minds by the Divine Right of The Government.


God bless,


#357544 Help!+Cant+Get+On+Just+This+Site

Posted by ThePilgrim on 16 January 2014 - 09:17 AM

I haven't been able to get my fix of OnlineBaptist now for days (seems like forever) and was just about to see about going on anti-depressants :badday:  but now I am all-better again. :wow:

God bless,


#357024 Kjv Vs Others

Posted by ThePilgrim on 11 January 2014 - 07:49 AM

I think this is the link:


God bless,


#356959 Hell. Is It Forever?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 10 January 2014 - 12:40 PM

The doctrine of eternal punishment is one of those things like the freedom of the will doctrine to me.  I don't fully understand either so I don't get in discussions about them (then what am I doing in this thread?).  That is, I don't argue for any specific meaning I just accept that there will be punishment (because God says so) and that there will be no annialation of the soul(because God says so).  God said it, I believe it, so that is it.  On some issues it seems the best idea is to be willing to accept your intellectual limitations.


 A thought that occured to me as I reread what I just wrote.  I am humble and proud of it. :umno:

God bless,


#356850 What Is An Apostate?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 09 January 2014 - 03:11 PM

Thanks Wretched, I needed that.  :clapping:  I was in a funk until I read your post. 


God bless,


#355709 Obamacare? Lots'a Luck!

Posted by ThePilgrim on 03 January 2014 - 11:55 AM

Because you have a $5,500 deductible, and until you pay that $5,500 out of your pocket you get nothing from the so-called "insurance" except the monthly bill that automatically comes out of your checking account.

And if you don't have that $5,500 unless you're literally dying right here, right now the doctor or hospital will not see you -- until you prove you can pay him first.




God bless,


#355523 Commentaries

Posted by ThePilgrim on 02 January 2014 - 11:12 AM

Genesis is a good commentary on the fall of man and creation and the promises that shaped Israel

Exodus and Deuteronomy is a good commentary on the law

Leviticus is a good commentary on the ceremonial rituals that were a shadow of things to come

Hebrews is a good commentary on Leviticus

Romans is a good commentary on James

Revelation is a good commentary on Daniel and Zechariah

Matthew-John are good commentaries on the entire OT

Acts is a good commentary on the development of the church


Sorry, I couldn't resist :)

I realize Dr. Ach is joking but I have heard pretty much the same from others who meant it. 

If other men's writings are not necessary in giving good sermons then why do preachers have libraries.  People who say the only book they need is the bible and then quote a line that obviously comes from someone elses mind makes me wonder about their honesty.  Why do people read commentaries, references, and history.  Because they are humble enough to realize that they perchance do not have the greatest mind in the history of the world and they might, just might miss something.  I never do . . . . but some people might. :unsure: 


So one should never apologize for using other men's ideas.  Of course don't plagerize.


God bless,



God bless,


#354841 Whats for Supper...

Posted by ThePilgrim on 28 December 2013 - 04:10 PM

I made up a batch of homemade spaghetti and meatballs last night.  Gonna' have the left overs tonight. . . . so much better the second night.  I also made a loaf of italian bread, so gonna' have garlic bread.  UMMMMMMM


God bless,


#354840 Community Vs. Fellowship Or The Same?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 28 December 2013 - 04:05 PM

Seems to me a community (back in olden times when I was young) use to be a small town. 

Obama was a community organizer.  That alone is enough to turn me off to the use of the term community as used in modern parlance.


God bless,


#354667 Best Beverage Ever

Posted by ThePilgrim on 27 December 2013 - 05:51 PM

Sorry.  I just got carried away shuffling through the old memory box.  I'll settle for a cup of my $5.99 a can Folgers made in my Mr. Coffee . . . .  black of course. :11backtotopic:


God bless,


#354640 Girl Dies After Pharmacist Refuses To Give Epipen Without Prescription

Posted by ThePilgrim on 27 December 2013 - 01:11 PM

Because her parents are idiots is no excuse for someone else being one. 


God bless,


#354638 People Standing Firm In Christ?

Posted by ThePilgrim on 27 December 2013 - 01:04 PM

I never trust people who have facial hair or glasses.  They are hiding something. :bleh:


God bless,


#354567 Girl Dies After Pharmacist Refuses To Give Epipen Without Prescription

Posted by ThePilgrim on 26 December 2013 - 10:26 PM

From the article:

"The family rushed round the corner to the Hamilton Long chemist shop but a male worker told Caroline they couldn’t give her an EpiPen shot"

The pharmacy employee told the girl, which means to me that he saw the girl was suffering from a reaction and having trouble breathing.  He should have given the mother the Epipen.  This is the situation that happens much to often in our uncaring society.  Nobody wants to get involved . . . . nobody wants to stick their neck out. . . . not many good samaritans around. . . . not many heroes.


God bless,


#354397 Merry Christmas

Posted by ThePilgrim on 25 December 2013 - 07:46 AM



Merry Christmas and God bless,


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