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Ukulelemike

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#382597 Pet Peeves

Posted by Ukulelemike on 19 August 2014 - 02:24 PM

It drives me nuts when people say they do something "24/7". I asked someone if they prayed and they told me "Yup! 24/7!". I said, "really? when do you sleep?"

 

Also, "blah blah blah". Drives me nuts! Now I will say it as a joke to my wife, but only because she knows I hate it when someone says it because they are too lazy to finish a sentence.




#382499 New Mem

Posted by Ukulelemike on 18 August 2014 - 06:38 PM

Welcome to OB, Susan. I live on the other side of the country-heh. Left coast, but only because the Lord sent me here.




#382433 Near Confrontation During House To House

Posted by Ukulelemike on 18 August 2014 - 11:22 AM

My primary door-to-door is not to try specifically to get people saved-I have had far too many ineffective supposed 'conversions' that way. But what I WILL do is go out to give small tracts, often about our churc, with the gospel on them, and just let them know we are here-some are more responsive to that. I also make myself available to Bible studied if people desire them-I notice this seems to work well with the JW's and LDS, why shouldn't we do that?

 

Mostly, though I just let them know we are here-after all, everyone needs a church at least twice in life: once for marrying and once for burying.

 

In our little town, though, it only takes about two or three good weekends to hit every house, so its not a year-round thing, else we become tiring to them.




#382432 Book Review: Dangerous Illusions – “Can Save Young Christian Lives From The A...

Posted by Ukulelemike on 18 August 2014 - 11:14 AM

Feh-never had any use or saw any worth in 'Christian fiction'. Christianity is about fact and truth, not heart-felt, soul-stirring fiction that tugs on the heartstrings and makes one's tears well up. The plight of the lost and the goodness of Christ will make a Christians tears flow and tug at the heart. I don't see the point of a fictional romance-murder-mystery fictions novel.

 

Just my opinion.




#382389 British Officials Condemn Biblical Creation, Compare It To Radical Islam

Posted by Ukulelemike on 17 August 2014 - 06:35 PM

Its amazing when one considers American history:

 

  Not too long back, when a majority of people at least went to church, when America was still actively considered a Christian nation, we were the greatest civilization on the planet-we surpassed everyone in inventions, on earth as well as in space. Cars might not have been invented here, but they were made more accessible due to greater technological advances. Our education system was the best, our country was pretty moral in general-and we of course had the most powerful and successful military in the world; there was a reason people from all over the world came here in droves, desiring to be Americans.

 

Since removing God from most of the public consciousness, we have the worst education system in the developed world, have given over technological innovation to China and Japan, have lost almost all of our manufacturing to toher countries. Our nation in more known for its great immorality that our godliness, and we have to rely on other nations just to take our astronauts to and from the space station we visit because we dumped most of our space exploration.

 

evolution and atheism and humanism have brought us from being the world's greatest superpower, to quickly moving toward their-world status in little more than a couple generations.




#382183 Return Of Christ

Posted by Ukulelemike on 14 August 2014 - 06:41 PM

There is a definite line we walk on the subject-we are so tired of "Jesus is coming in THIS generation! He must!" and then, that generation passes, and no Jesus. We grow weary of being excited expectant, only to see nothing.

 

Yet at the same time, we KNOW He's coming, at a prescribed time, so we ARE expectant-yet we also need to keep the continued work at the forefront of our minds, the day-to day, here and now work of God.

 

We MUSt live with one foot on earth, and one foot in heaven, but its not always easy to remain balanced. I see some who spend all their time and study and efforts on Jesus' return, to the exclusion of staying busy here today, while others are So busy today they seem busy for the work's sake, not for the coming reward.  It's a tightrope, a balancing act.




#382163 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by Ukulelemike on 14 August 2014 - 01:58 PM

I'm not going to waste my efforts on this issue any more-the Bible has a clear and plain meaning-6days from nothing to everything. Anything else must be added, because the plain reading doesn't allow it. We can argue it and make claims of things that someone might see as a hint to it, all day, but it doesn't change the fact that the Bible, as written, does not allow anything else but a six-day creation, that started from "the beginning" when there was only God, then the heaven and earth, formless and empty, then light, and then He began to fill earth and heaven. It just isn't there. The earth was without form and void because God is a God of order, and he began creation that way, then He formed and filled it-that's exactly what the Bible, the KJV Bible says. Anything more is assumption brought to the table and strained at in scripture.

 

I am done with it-I'll argue it no more. I mean, after what I just said, because yeah, I did sort of argue it. But I am through now.




#382137 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by Ukulelemike on 14 August 2014 - 08:26 AM

The phrase contained in Gen 1:5 - And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

"The evening and the morning" is a Hebrew mechanism which indicates roughly "In the space of the day".
The inclusion of such a phrase at the end of the description for each day - including this first day - means that each day should thus be considered alike.

It's not really all that difficult to understand - no verbal gymnastics required.

Yes

 

And to assume a vast amount of time BEFORE the 'first day', would mean that the first day could NOT be THE FIRST DAY.

 

After the flood of Noah, the Lord didn't re-start the clock of creation, even though He judged the entire world with that flood, as some believe He did before Gen 1:2. The Lord could not call it the first day, if thee was even mone more day before it, much less millions of years. And His entire creation could not be considered good if it was built upon a flood of judgment where billions of lives of men and aminals perished and lay just below the surface of the earth.

 

The Bible says that God created everything in heaven and earth during those six days of creation-unless Lucifer and the angels and heaven and the globe were themselves eternal, past and future, then this statement would be incorrect.




#382133 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by Ukulelemike on 14 August 2014 - 08:12 AM

I agree with John81 and Paid4 in this-the pastor should be approached, but respectfully, not just because he's "PASTOR", but because he is a fellos believer and sheep, and should be approached the same way we would approach anyone in such a matter.

 

I also agree that we should first study it out well, if it is a doctrinal issue, and be sure of our own spiritual footing, as well. Then, once prepared, make that appointment with the pastor, or really, whatever leader in the church it might be, and sit and talk it over with Bibles open, peacefully and prayerfully. He may have something very compelling that you have not considered, and you may just end up a changed man; or, you may have somethig HE hasn't considered, because none of us are perfect, and he may change. Or, as said above, you may come to completely different places at the end.

 

At this point, should you continue to disagree, its time to consider if its somethig worth separating over or not. All doctrine is important, but all is not worth separating over. Time to pray and make a decision: can it be accepted and we can get on for the good of everything else, or is it so serious its going to effect my usefulness and my spirit, and I need to go.

 

Or consider this, as well: Is it a minor issue, but I'm clearly taking it too hard and maybe I need to go so I don't hurt the church? One CAn be right about doctrine, but still get in the flesh over how its handled, including pastors. What will benefit the church-let all things be done for edifying the church.




#382090 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by Ukulelemike on 13 August 2014 - 06:49 PM

Without putting any words in anyone's mouth, is this what's being said? (Taken from Les' web pages)

 

bara translated create (42x), creator (3x), choose (2x), make (2x), cut down (2x), dispatch (1x), done (1x), make fat (1x) + commentary = "perfect creation"

waters + own ideas = flood

own ideas of flood + void = devil's kingdom

own ideas of devil's kingdom + more ideas = unknown amount of time

That's about right. until the question of an 'unanswerable" evolution theory came about, there were none that looked at the Bible this way, despite the author's insistence. If no one had come up with evolution, there would never have been a reason to approach the Bible with such an assumption, nor to read in what is clearly not there.




#381923 Way Of Life - Biblical Fasting

Posted by Ukulelemike on 12 August 2014 - 09:19 AM

One of the purposes I have always understood for fasting, is that it weakens the flesh, while strengthening the spirit, essentially almost literally 'killing' the flesh, which indeed, it actually does, if the fast is long enough, as the body begins to feed on itself.

 

When I first met my wife, who is a nurse, she didnt know anything much about fasting, from a biblical standpoint, and she was terribly against it, because she knew how it harmed the body. Once she understood the spiritual reasoning for it, she was behind it, but it took some convincing.

 

My old pastor did two 40-day fasts, (not at the same time), and I saw his preaching change and gain more power, saw the church grow, and not just in numbers-this is one of the most involved, active churches I have seen or been a part of-people seem to clamor for some way to serve in the church, and I believe it has somehwhat to do with the willingness of the pastor to kill the flesh and empower the spirit, for the sake of the church and the glory of God. And WHILE he was fasting, by the way, with the exception of a few close friends and his family who supported him, no one knew he was fasting, until well afterward, when he could use it, not for attention, but for example.

 

And I agree, I will not fast unless I believe I am led to it-its not to be done lightly.




#381916 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by Ukulelemike on 12 August 2014 - 08:25 AM

So, did God MAKE the animals, or CREATE them?  because it says He did both. The words are interchangable, and those verses prove it out. God didn't create, THEN make, THEN form the earth. How many earths have there been? If creation is merely the original act, while form and make are later acts built upon the first, how many earths have there been. The Bible says one. There will be a second, and IT will also be created/formed/made by the hand of God.

Wanted to add something to this, relevent to the conversation, just a couple scriptures.

 

Is 65:17  "For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

 

Is 65:22  "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain."

 

So, will God CREATE the new heavens and earth, or will He just MAKE them? Apparently, both. So, will He do it twice, or once, but using the same term to mean the same thing?  It has been posited before that there will be a new heaven and earth during the kingdom age, and another new heaven and earth in eternity, but this can't be, because the NH/NE in Rev 21 at the start of eternity is the second ones, because we are told the FIRST heaven and earth were passed away. Thus, we know there will only be a second one. So, will it be created or made, or both, because they both refer to the same act? 




#381841 Pre Tribulation Rapture

Posted by Ukulelemike on 11 August 2014 - 06:34 PM

I don't know, the supposed highest authority on earth (President Obama) not long ago declared the world is safer and more peaceful than ever.

 

Of course he spends a lot of time on a golf course closed off to the real world.

I suspect the antichrist will be considerably smarter than Obama




#381837 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by Ukulelemike on 11 August 2014 - 06:21 PM

So, did God MAKE the animals, or CREATE them?  because it says He did both. The words are interchangable, and those verses prove it out. God didn't create, THEN make, THEN form the earth. How many earths have there been? If creation is merely the original act, while form and make are later acts built upon the first, how many earths have there been. The Bible says one. There will be a second, and IT will also be created/formed/made by the hand of God.




#381834 Pre Tribulation Rapture

Posted by Ukulelemike on 11 August 2014 - 06:13 PM

look closely Uke, the water was said to be abounding in fountains.  the last earth in rev 21 is also said to be without a sea.  why would the original, the first be any different.

 

Pre-gap?  that is a new one on me.

 

there is a Gap or there is not a Gap.  I never said anything about a Pre-gap.

 

Genesis only tells you what is going on in God six day work in preparing the earth for man.  I believe this took place after the fall of Lucifer and the angles that decided to follow him.  At which time the Holy Angels and Devil's Angles were established. 

 

My point is there is the first earth and we are still on it but it has gone through two floods one before the six day work of God and one at the time of Noah.  and then the second one or a New Earth at the commencement (this finish) of the Great White Throne Judgement.  and it too will have no sea, and the water that will come upon it will flow from the throne in the New Jerusalem.

read again, please: "¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water."

 

notice, from your original quote: NO depths, NO fountains, before the earth was. From everlasting. Wisdom originates IN God-it is a part OF God, thus wisdon dwelt with God before there was anything.

 

First earth; One flood. No other recorded in scripture. To assume anything else is to add to the word of God. Just because the new earth will have no sea, doesn't mean the original creation didn't. The original creation also didn't have the throne of God upon it, as the second will. Nor did it have a 1500 mile cube city of gold upon it, like the second will have. The first doesn't have to reflect the second.






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