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#262928 New Name for IFBs

Posted by BroMatt on 09 January 2011 - 09:25 PM

I'm sticking with my guns for "separated" :makmiday:

Seems like separation is a thing of the past in Independent Baptist Churches. Anyways, I really do not think the name is a big deal, I think our reputation with the lost in our community is the bigger deal at hand.

Very good and true, but our reputation has been further tarnished by the continual association of "fundamentalist" with those who are evil and dangerous. For some, simply hearing that word causes their defenses to go up and their ears to close to us.

However, for those in our community who we interact, they should be able to see Christ in us and know that at least when it comes to us, the evil associated with "fundamentalist" doesn't describe us.

I'm sure it is different in certain areas of the country, but the people in my city do not categorize us by the label 'Fundamentalist", they more know us by what they have seen from our members. It is like the saying goes, actions speak louder than words. Our community is watching our actions not what we call ourself. If we throw out fundamental, why are we keeping Baptist?

#262927 New Name for IFBs

Posted by MatthewDiscipleOfGod on 09 January 2011 - 09:08 PM

I have no problems calling myself an Independent Fundamental Separatist Baptist. Just calling yourself a Christian will get some people to hate you. We need to stop worrying so much what others think and more about what God thinks. Otherwise you'll end up like one of those many Baptist churches that take Baptist out of their name so they don't "offend".

#262898 New Name for IFBs

Posted by Wilchbla on 09 January 2011 - 05:17 AM

No matter what term you come up to explain fundamentalist it will always be turned into a negative meaning by the media.

#396518 Tablets

Posted by No Nicolaitans on 08 December 2014 - 10:45 PM

What's up with all the heresy from those who don't know how to rightly divide a tablet?  :nuts:

#395943 God's Will Was Done.

Posted by Invicta on 04 December 2014 - 03:36 PM

Dan 4:25  That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. 

#395897 God's Will Was Done.

Posted by "I am chief" on 04 December 2014 - 09:02 AM



I cast my ballot according to the rules the Democrats and Republicans have established,

 John, read your constitution, your ballot was cast in accordance with it, not rules established by political parties. Keep voting, it doesn't matter what the "rest vote" only what would glorify our Father which is in heaven.

#395707 Pope Says It Is Wrong To Equate Islam With Violence

Posted by Jim_Alaska on 03 December 2014 - 11:15 AM

I think we can go on in this vein forever. I also think it wrong to continually change the description of what we are to suit the times.

At one time the term Independent Baptist meant something definitive. Then the "fundemental" got added, then the negativitity against that word got perverted. This is a vicious circle.


Until I joined this forum I never heard so much usage of the word "funtamental" as I have since. It would be beneficial to simple state what we are simply, such as "Independent Baptist." If people don't understand it then I can expain it as I always have.


Let's not try to forever comform to what someone thinks would be a better explanation, only to find at a later time that the added words have been perverted and we have to change it again.





Edited for spelling

#394669 Way Of Life - Hating The Rapture

Posted by John81 on 25 November 2014 - 06:31 PM

Don't forget when God poured out His wrath upon Egypt the children of Israel were still there but God protected them from His wrath.

#394657 Way Of Life - Hating The Rapture

Posted by Genevanpreacher on 25 November 2014 - 05:12 PM

Ah, typology, I like that subject. Let's look at typology in the light of the tribulation


Noah and the flood:  God's wrath fell on the earth and its inhabitants with the great flood to destroy all life off the earth. But Noah found grace in God's eyes, and He spared him and his family, along with some animals. But He didn't remove Noah completely from the tribulation of that time, instead, he lifted him to ride it out safely atop the judgment.


Lot was the one righteous man in Sodom, and we may presume Gomorrah and the other three cities of the plains destroyed by God. But the Lord, in preserving Lot, didn't remove him from all tribulation, but allowed him to escape the wrath of God, and remove to another place. yet he still had to endure loss and still had trouble associated with it.


Of course, we see Enoch, who walked with God, and was not, for the Lord took him. This removeal in itself, as a type of the catching away, doesn't seem to be at all related to missing tribulation or trouble, just a removal, so is it typology for the catching up? Same with Elijah being taken up, no trouble related to it, just a removal.  


Understand, I am not assuming that you use these particular events as typology for the tribulation and catching up, but these are some that are typically used, and the more I consider them, the less they seem to promise a catching away from the time of tribulation, and more a promise to preserve us and protect us, to cause us to ride above the storms of God's judgments against the wicked, while still present to witness them.


But this is how I understand them.  It was mentioned above the idea that God would teach His people differently-of course, like the one who mentioned it, I don't believe He does, I think we too often look at scripture according to our thoughts and yes, whether we want to admit it or not, we have all been influenced in some manner from a teacher or preacher; not that we're parrots or sheep, (though we are sheep, but not in that way), but surely its impossible NOT to be influenced by men we respect for their wisdom and understanding. Not sure what we can do about that-unless we altogether reject any human teachers and preachers, but to do so would be against the word of God, and those types ALWAYS fall into weird error.  


Fortunately, I don't see the subject of rapture, (yes, I said it) timing as fundamental, as important to one's faith or salvation, nor even something that, depending on what we believe, would reject the direct teachings of Christ, except for those who believe there will be no catching up. I believe we all agree that it will happen, and it will happen when the Lord deems it is time to happen, and I suspect there is not one of us here that would not be willing to repent and seek forgiveness if they are found wrong on the day of judgment.


I just have to say this... AMEN!

#394570 Way Of Life - Hating The Rapture

Posted by Genevanpreacher on 24 November 2014 - 05:32 PM

You assume we will know the exact day the tribulation begins. I suspect that, if we ARE here, we will wake up as any other day, and not realize the Lord's clock has begun.  Now, if you are correct, and we are raptured out, then yes, those remaining will have a zero hour-they can look at the event and say, "Yes, they all disappeared at exactly 3:12pm Tuesday the 15th of whatever, on such and such a date."  But again, there is NO scriptural evidence that shows Jesus coming and taking His people, except for in Rev 14, where we have an abundantly clear picture of Jesus, after the seventh, (the last) trumpet, IN the clouds, reaping His harvest, immediately prior to the reaping of the clusters of the vine, which are then cast into the winepress of God's wrath.  Show me a clearer view of the catching-up.


Interestin' thought.

Many people think America is not mentioned in the scriptures: irregardless, what if people

in America aren't mentioned, because they don't see things happening, atleast not immediately, and just aren't involved with the 'end times'?

I find that possible. Not probable, but my imagination could conceive the notion. Lazy America, and maybe blind to what is really going on.


A new movie idea!!


(on a lighter point, I guess...)



#393940 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by Salyan on 17 November 2014 - 11:46 AM

In reference to a comment made earlier, I have to say that belief in a Gap Theory is not a non-essential. If the classically-accepted Gap Theory is correct, then we have death occurring before sin. Since the Bible states that death is a consequence of sin, this idea would have serious consequences on our soteriology.

#393186 Way Of Life - When Was The Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?

Posted by "I am chief" on 06 November 2014 - 05:21 PM

I'm an IFB and therefore never stopped believing the Bible truth that I will not see the tribulation from earth. The article is a very good read and will only serve to strengthen your Biblical stand of faith and practice.

#392397 A Challenge To Everyone

Posted by Washed Clean on 30 October 2014 - 06:09 AM

I must applaud you envangalist6589 for being so bold as to preach the Gospel. I could not agree more, churches today have certainly become too liberal. Preaching acceptance of homosexuality and the non-existence of Hell are just two obvious example. The gospel may be unpalatable to those perishing but we must press on, I only wish I could be so bold.  "David, I am striving to write to you in kindness but the Bible is quite clear that you are not as good as you think you are and will spend an eternity in Hell unless you repent and turn to Christ" This kind of language can often be misconstrued but I absolutely get where you are coming from. If somebody was about to walk off a cliff would you yell and scream at them or just casually softly talk to them. Amazing stuff !!!  :clapping: 

#391583 Sermon Supoenaes

Posted by HappyChristian on 17 October 2014 - 09:27 AM

The 5 were singled out because of petitions that apparently were circulated against the "bathroom" bill (what the churches call it) - the bill that would make public restrooms open to any gender...even though there are laws on the books in TX that would keep certain people away from restrooms of opposite gender because of being pedophiles.


Before she started backpedaling, she tweeted that the 5 pastors got into politics, so they aren't protected...She obviously has no knowledge of American history.  


For starters, homosexuality/gender nonsense isn't political at its root, it is spiritual (as is abortion, adultery, etc., etc.).  And as such, any "issue" that is out there in public that relates to that is open to be preached about in the pulpit.


Secondly, the founding people of this country did not in any way believe that Christians and/or pastors were to keep their noses out of politics. The erroneous idea of separation of church and state being that no Christians have say in government and no government offices can in any way acknowledge God or Jesus Christ has contributed to government servants becoming lords and masters as Christians bow the knee to them believing they are obeying God...

#390960 Questions For Ifb On Several Issues

Posted by John81 on 12 October 2014 - 06:35 PM

For the entire time I've been here this site has been fueled by discussion/debate. Years back there were a few who would stick to biblical reasoning in their discussions/debates with those they had disagreement rather than calls for silencing other views, simply declaring them false or such. Typically, those presenting another side would either give up and leave, or they would be the ones resorting to fleshly name calling, personal attacks and such which would often lead to them being stopped by Mods, their banning or them grabbing their ball and going home on their own.


During the few times when there was no discussion/debate this site has ground almost to a halt. Threads where everyone agrees tend to receive few responses. I started a simple thread on prayer and only a few responses, yet if someone posts something about Calvinism, Post-trib rapture, women and pants or similar postings and that thread will burst with responses.


If anything, we need to hone our fruits of the Spirit and we need to hone our defense of what we say we believe and we need to hone our discussion skills. We should be able to see a topic we disagree with and have the patience, gentleness, self-control, love and kindness to respond in a civil manner in way that may be edifying to readers. We should be able to present our view through decent application of Scripture rather than name-calling, personal attacks and anger. We should be able to carry on a rational discussion on an internet board without our flesh taking control.


Yeah, I know, that's a lot more work than simply making a quick post declaring someone to be wrong, uneducated, and needing to move on, but it's by far the more edifying manner and the more biblically correct manner. Iron sharpeneth iron but if we refuse to engage through sound scriptural reasoning, we are not being sharpened and neither are others.

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