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#379615 Choosing A Church

Posted by 2bLikeJesus on 22 July 2014 - 02:45 PM

I was in the same situation when I first moved to Oregon.  There are extremely few IFB churches in Oregon and there were none in the Eugene/Springfield area.  I was forced to attend a Southern Baptist Church in Eugene that was definitely a "Laodocian" church and very lukewarm.  There were 3 other families though that attended that were of like mind and faith and seeking an IFB church.  We started meeting at each others houses every Saturday for bible study.  We also took up an offering each week to put towards the possibility of becoming a church some day.  After about a year we had grown to 30 people and had raised $20,000 and we then made it known to other IFB churches that we were officially seeking a Pastor to take our group and make a church.  Thus was born, Mt. Pisgah Baptist Church in Springfield, OR. under Pastor Nick Gillaspie.  


Bro. Garry

#379583 Choosing A Church

Posted by EKSmith on 22 July 2014 - 12:29 AM

When I moved from my hometown to where I'm at today it took a lot of searching before I found a IFBC  when I found one I did not know it had lost it's pastor and had hired a new one which was part of the new evangelical movement 5 years later the church was destroyed and I was looking for another church  there's a lot of the same church's here and I'm not going to join one just to be in church . I did find one about 35 miles from my house but I have not joined because it's an IBC and they use more then bible ( I'm KJO) and I disagree with some of the doctrines taught . l've tried to be a good witness to a lot of it's members but lately things are getting as I have seen before in my last church and it wont be long and ccm will creeping in the doors .


I was a Youth Pastor for 20 years until God called me into the evangelist ministry and the mission fields for 7 years and now God is calling me back into the youth ministry but this time I will be starting a church with the youth in our town just recently we had our first meeting and had 35 youth attend a lot of them where young adults whom I taught for many years ( how great the rewards ) whom are born again christian's  IFB we don't have a place to meet regular yet but we are seeking God in prayer daily to bless the ministry for His Glory.


We are all called into the ministry and if we can't find a church there is always a need for a new one to be started '' Many times I have taught that On Our Knees God Will Lead "  seeking God Daily in Prayer is our power to do all things in Him for His Glory.

Today Many church's a falling away and It's getting harder to find one that hasn't become worldly and my friend you are in my prayers that God will direct your way to find the right church.



God bless 

#378476 Paul Chappell - Are You A Servant Leader Or Simply A Ministry Manager?

Posted by Steve Schwenke on 01 July 2014 - 04:23 PM

Mike, I like a lot of what you said.  Here is my take on it.


First, the word "bishop" means "overseer" so prophet was wrong all along.  That is the meaning of the word, like it or not.

Second, the word "elders" is sometimes used in reference to the office of the pastor, but not always.  A pastor IS an elder, but not all elders are pastors.  Thus, a church should have multiple "elders" but not necessarily multiple pastors.  All of this plays into what Mike said about the pastor being accountable to the church, and the church working as a whole making decisions together, with the leadership of the pastor.  The pastor does not dictate, but he leads, guides, corrects, and gives the church the information they need to make a decision.  However, the CHURCH makes the decision, not the pastor, unless they choose to delegate some areas of responsibility to him to make decisions on unilaterally.  But these should be spelled out very clearly, and even then, the church body has the right to govern those decisions.

Thus, in our church, I am the pastor.  But when it comes to difficult issues that arise, I have found it best to consult with spiritually minded men who have a different perspective than I do.  They see things I don't see.  So I will speak to two or three different men individually, cull their minds, pray, and then either make a decision based on their counsel, or call for a church wide meeting to settle the matter.  That is what the "elders" are for.


Therefore, there is merit in the argument prophet1 is making regarding the totalitarian nature of many modern day IFB "pastors."  However, he, as others, have swung to the opposite extreme demanding multiple "pastors" when the Bible makes no such call.  The office of the Bishop is a special calling from God Himself, and the duties upon the pastor include LEADING the church.  However, the Scriptures are clear in all of the NT passages regarding this office that the pastor is NOT to rule unilaterally as a dictator, but under the guidance and counsel of the church body, particularly the deacons (who are also "elders") and anyone else considered an elder.


For what its worth, I personally think that the term elders in the plural could be a reference to the combined offices of the pastor and deacon(s).  Thus, the passage in Acts 20 where Paul called for the "elders" of Ephesus, he was not necessarily calling for multiple "pastors" but rather the pastor of the church in addition to anyone else in a leadership position in that church, serving under the pastor.


Hopefully, that makes cents....er, sense.


In Christ,

#378360 Similarities Between Mormonism And Catholicism

Posted by Allen on 29 June 2014 - 07:55 PM

Similar to the Mormon teaching, the RCC teaches that men become God.


It's buried in the bowels of their catechism, but it's there...


Paragraph 1. The Son of God Became Man
460 The Word became flesh to make us...
***** "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." *****
"The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."

#377752 Why The Rift?

Posted by "I am chief" on 22 June 2014 - 02:34 PM

I sum all of this up to folks taking their eyes off of Jesus Christ and focusing on comparison theology; that is, my sin isn't as bad as another's sin. We are all flesh and blood and therefore susceptible to sins of the flesh. Parishioner, deacon, teacher, pastor, doorman, evangelist, or whatever your ministry, make sure you maintain it for Christ.


I'll be honest with you Boudreax (ha ha) the house is on fire because too many have pinned their 'religion' on men and not on Jesus Christ. People are allowing themselves to be told what to believe not digging out the gold in God's word for themselves. Boudreaux, do you have a house?


Note: You have to be from down Dixie way to understand the house, Boudreax, and fire comments :) .

#377664 Why The Rift?

Posted by Boudreax on 21 June 2014 - 05:34 PM

I too pastor a small IFB church in a small town. I too plan to remain an IFB. I grew up one. However, I have taken quite a journey away from many of the things I was taught as a young person. I just want to help people on that journey, maybe even prod them a little bit. If I am going to remain an IFB, I feel there are some things I should call attention to, though we are 'independent', you cannot deny that we are looked at as a whole.

#368696 Is A Mohawk Sin?

Posted by John81 on 05 April 2014 - 05:56 PM

Spiritual warfare is just that, spiritual, and no hair cut or style is reflective of that.


A Mohawk hair style reflects back to pagan warriors who served false gods and waged war in accord with their false religious beliefs. In more modern times, the Mohawk is reflective of the punk movement, some aspects of rock and roll, as well as some aspects of outlaw gangs.


There is more than enough connection between Mohawk hair style and evil for a Christian to separate from such.

#377325 Reformed Theology Is Replacement Theology

Posted by Salyan on 19 June 2014 - 09:25 AM




#376874 Do You Know Any White Person Named Jesus?

Posted by Gabrielle A on 16 June 2014 - 01:31 AM

Oh my...this reminds me of a joke I heard recently...


Jesus Is Watching You!


Late one night, a burglar broke into a house that he thought was empty. He tiptoed through the living room but suddenly he froze in his tracks when he heard a loud voice say: "Jesus is watching you!"


Silence returned to the house, so the burglar crept forward again. "Jesus is watching you," the voice boomed again.

The burglar stopped dead again. He was frightened. Frantically, he looked all around. In a dark corner, he spotted a bird cage and in the cage was a parrot.


He asked the parrot, "Was that you who said Jesus is watching me?"

"Yes", said the parrot.

The burglar breathed a sigh of relief, then asked the parrot, "What's your name?"

"Moses," said the bird.


"That's a dumb name for a parrot", sneered the burglar. "What idiot named you Moses?"

The parrot replied, "The same idiot who named the Rottweiler Jesus."  :runforhills:

sorry... :11backtotopic:

#374828 Beware!devil At Work

Posted by BroMatt on 31 May 2014 - 11:25 AM

It is sad that this happens. I know pastors have it hard a lot of times because they have a church with people on all different spiritual levels. Some know hardly anything about the Bible while others are very well versed. I've had people come to me and say that they are not getting fed in church. My reply usually is, "How hungry are you?" Because when you are really hungry, anything sounds really good. :) 


I love listening to preaching and according to the Bible His Word will not return void. As long as the Word of God is getting preached and I'm letting God work in me, I will get something out of that message, no matter if a kid is preaching or a seasoned preacher.

#376061 Weird People That Are Smart?

Posted by HappyChristian on 09 June 2014 - 09:41 AM

The person with the high IQ is the one that licks their fingers while they are cooking, and double dipping their chips while they are eating?

Hey!  I double dip my chips in my salsa when we eat at our fave Mexican restaurant.  Heh - but my hubby and I each get our own salsa, so that's okay.   :biggrin:


I second Arbo's comment...being well-read is better!

#376018 What Will Happen If I Raised My Hands In Your Church?

Posted by paid4 on 08 June 2014 - 08:52 PM

It really depends on if you think it's praise or worship. Do I have a problem with raised hands. No. Just don't tell me that's how you worship.

Praise OK sure whatever.

Calling it worship is biblically wrong. EVERY account of someone worshiping God in the bible says they fell down. Either as dead or in worship.

Worship is from a prostrate position. Worship is when you know who you are and who HE is in all reality. Worship is God first and only with no thought of self.

#372586 Why I Left The Pre-Trib Position

Posted by DaveW on 11 May 2014 - 12:26 AM

As much as I appreciate your 'love' toward those of us who stick to the plain and simple truth of God, you are being in quite the mood tonight.

Thank you for pointing out all the 'work' it would take for us to 'know' just what in the world you call 'the truth'.


Here is your quote:

"  Well, I say that if you guys are not man enough to go dig it out for yourselves, then it is not worth my time to try to explain it to you.  If you REALLY wanted the truth on the matter, you would start digging - as in Prov. 2 type digging.  Like, digging for gold, silver or precious stones type digging."


Last I read, God's word is pretty easy to understand, and was not written in any code.

Yes I understand there are some 'spiritiual' things God has in his word that are just for his children, but we are still humans,

and need some mercy when it comes to, not understanding him, but realizing that he is in control.

Since God is not the author of confusion, and just about everything spoken on this subject on these

forums is not clear to the minds of some of us, why would God want us to study something so abstract and hidden

that it would discourage men who have spent a lifetime reading and studying his word, and NEVER get what you all

have been saying in this website/forum?


I have seen Masonic teachings easier to understand than what is said about scriptures supporting 'Dispensationalism'.

If what 'Dispy' (no disrespect for the term) people teach is so 'true', why doesn't it 'ring bells' for all Christ's followers?


The answer Bro. Schwenke has above does nothing to add to my persuasion of the 'dispy' belief but division.

I love you brother but I have studied/read/preached/and taught the word of God since 1990, and have never

had this kind of teaching come to my mind. So in looking at my years of enjoying the word of God, and getting to know

God so personally, what do I lack? I do have the ability to study, and divide the word right, where have I failed to 'get'

this 'special revelation' that you all seem to have? Do I have to go to some special group, whether a college, or school,

or perhaps your Church to finally get it? 


I am sorry. I feel at a loss, when trying to accept something that doesn't 'jive' with what I know is not right division.

As I hope you do to. 

Could you be wrong? I can, but God has not revealed what you all believe to me yet, from his word.


Do you understand that in it's mildest form Dispensationalism is about historical divisions and has nothing to do with salvation?


Yes there are some people who take the concept to the extreme - they fantasize about differing salvations etc but have to twist and rend the Scriptures to do so.


But there is absolutely no doubt that there are different ages in history.


The real question is what exactly these are about and for, and what do they mean.


This is the problem with making broad generalisations about subjects.


I know dsipensationalists that would argue against the hyper dispensationalists here just as vigorously as you, but then would argue against your definition of dispensationalism.


But there are some here who argue against "hyper-dispensationalism" but then espouse the same but call it dispensationalism (without the "Hyper").


The problem is that not only you are confused about the various differing ideas of dispensationalism, but so are half the people arguing about it.

And how can we help but be confused about it, with so many different ideas of exactly what it is.


That is why I have not bothered (until now) to put anything into this - I am not interested in arguing for or against something that is so vastly different from one person to the next.

#371004 Hebrew Roots Sacred Name

Posted by JimsHelpmeet on 24 April 2014 - 11:23 AM

Candlelight, my experience has been that many people who join the Hebrew Roots Movement tend to be a little on the paranoid side. You will find many HRM followers in the raw vegan food circles and many in the doomsday prepping circles. I think that, for those people, law keeping is a form of superstition. Like they are terrified if they don't keep the law, something bad will happen to them. I've seen them on message forums panicking that they needed a mikvah (ritual bath), because they accidentally ate something with gelatin in it. Women sleeping on a plastic sheet covered sofa during their menstrual period so that their husbands won't become "unclean". People arguing among themselves about whether or not it's acceptable to sew on Shabbat, or use electricity in any form. Is it Yeshua or Ya'Hoshua or Y'shua? Is it Yah or Yahweh or YHVH or YWVH or G-d? People debating whether or not HRM people should keep the lesser festival days, like Purim and Hanukkah. Studying star and lunar charts to make sure they plan Shabbat and Havdalah for the precise times. It takes away so much from the simplicity of the Gospel message and causes much division.


It has reached a point where anybody serving in a leadership capacity in a "Messianic" congregation goes by "Kohen So-and-So" or "Rabbi Such-and-Such". As Bro. Mike stated, it's one thing to reenact the Passover to show how it was a shadow of things to come. How the Passover seder, and all of the accompanying symbolism involved, pointed to Jesus shedding His blood on the cross for us. When the curtain was ripped in half it is believed the Pharisees had it sewn back together and they continued sprinkling blood and putting bells and ropes on their high priests in case they did something wrong and they were smote in the Holy of Holies they could be dragged out. They continued this until the destruction of Herod's temple. And to this day, they don't believe the Messiah has come. 


What the HRM does today is like what the Pharisees did then - they tried to sew that curtain back together that separates man from God and are trying to sprinkle blood on the Mercy Seat through their works (law keeping) instead of seeing Christ's finished work on the cross. 

#370292 Marriage, Remarriage, Divorce

Posted by John81 on 19 April 2014 - 08:27 AM

Could part of the problems in our churches and families have to do with lax, unbiblical, feminist and worldly teaching that has found it's way into Christianity.


It seems many/most churches once took solid, biblical stances in this area but in the last several decades this has greatly changed.


Biblical marriage seems to be little taught in our churches these days. Neither the youth nor the adults seem to be learning  the origin of marriage, importance of marriage, reasons for marriage or the sanctity and commitment of marriage.


With Mother's Day approaching there will be many pastors who preach upon the greatness of single mother's. Most often these mother's are single from having children outside of marriage or due to divorce. The way in which the single mother's are often lifted up to great heights tends to gloss over or even give acceptance to the unbiblical reasons for the epidemic of single mothers.


Churches are filled these days with groups for single mothers, those divorced, the remarried and such; which if biblically conducted could be a good thing, but for the most part they tend to celebrate and build up these things in an unbiblical fashion.


It's so common to hear women in the church telling a divorced woman not to be concerned about their divorce because this is all part of God's plan and He will send them a better husband. Some pastors even pass on such words.


Many church ladies seem quick to approve of divorce rather than giving guidance on how to make a marriage work.


Men too often seem absent from it all. Why aren't all pastor's taking biblical stands in this area and training up their congregations in this area? Why aren't dads raising their sons and daughters to know about biblical marriage? Why aren't more husbands being biblical examples of godly husbands, both in public and private?


Marriage was instituted by God and is illustrative of the relationship between Christ and the redeemed. We know the devil takes every opportunity to attack marriage, to divide husbands and wives, to bring about divorce, to encourage cycles of marriage/divorce/remarriage/divorce/remarriage..., why aren't we putting more effort into teaching, learning and living in accord with Scripture in this area?


Christian men are not just "sowing wild oats" when they "trade in" their wife for a "younger model". They are rebelling against God, committing great sin that breeds more sin that engulfs not only themselves but typically their wives, children and many others.


Christian women who want to do their own thing so they file for divorce are not just "doing what's best for them"; they are committing a great sin that spreads like a virus.


It's so sad to see so many broken homes, divorce after divorce, remarriage (not the biblical reuniting) which is often followed by another divorce, children torn between their divided parents who claim to be followers of Christ while living in sin.


Then to hear pastors and other Christians offer little more than what the world offers up about such matters.


Scripture has so much to say about marriage. Why do we seem to either ignore this or pay lip service to a bit of it and little more?

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