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#391583 Sermon Supoenaes

Posted by HappyChristian on 17 October 2014 - 09:27 AM

The 5 were singled out because of petitions that apparently were circulated against the "bathroom" bill (what the churches call it) - the bill that would make public restrooms open to any gender...even though there are laws on the books in TX that would keep certain people away from restrooms of opposite gender because of being pedophiles.


Before she started backpedaling, she tweeted that the 5 pastors got into politics, so they aren't protected...She obviously has no knowledge of American history.  


For starters, homosexuality/gender nonsense isn't political at its root, it is spiritual (as is abortion, adultery, etc., etc.).  And as such, any "issue" that is out there in public that relates to that is open to be preached about in the pulpit.


Secondly, the founding people of this country did not in any way believe that Christians and/or pastors were to keep their noses out of politics. The erroneous idea of separation of church and state being that no Christians have say in government and no government offices can in any way acknowledge God or Jesus Christ has contributed to government servants becoming lords and masters as Christians bow the knee to them believing they are obeying God...

#390960 Questions For Ifb On Several Issues

Posted by John81 on 12 October 2014 - 06:35 PM

For the entire time I've been here this site has been fueled by discussion/debate. Years back there were a few who would stick to biblical reasoning in their discussions/debates with those they had disagreement rather than calls for silencing other views, simply declaring them false or such. Typically, those presenting another side would either give up and leave, or they would be the ones resorting to fleshly name calling, personal attacks and such which would often lead to them being stopped by Mods, their banning or them grabbing their ball and going home on their own.


During the few times when there was no discussion/debate this site has ground almost to a halt. Threads where everyone agrees tend to receive few responses. I started a simple thread on prayer and only a few responses, yet if someone posts something about Calvinism, Post-trib rapture, women and pants or similar postings and that thread will burst with responses.


If anything, we need to hone our fruits of the Spirit and we need to hone our defense of what we say we believe and we need to hone our discussion skills. We should be able to see a topic we disagree with and have the patience, gentleness, self-control, love and kindness to respond in a civil manner in way that may be edifying to readers. We should be able to present our view through decent application of Scripture rather than name-calling, personal attacks and anger. We should be able to carry on a rational discussion on an internet board without our flesh taking control.


Yeah, I know, that's a lot more work than simply making a quick post declaring someone to be wrong, uneducated, and needing to move on, but it's by far the more edifying manner and the more biblically correct manner. Iron sharpeneth iron but if we refuse to engage through sound scriptural reasoning, we are not being sharpened and neither are others.

#385703 Star Wars Or Star Trek?

Posted by 利百加 (Li Bai Jia) on 04 September 2014 - 09:34 AM

I'm sure you meant "do you know how rabbits chew cud?" Answer: why yes I do know and it's disgusting!  :coverlaugh:  There's a reason why I always pushed my rabbit off the bed when he tried to lick my face in the morning. yuck.  :blink:


I haven't seen any of the Star Wars prequels, I might see Episode 7, though, just because it's a continuation of the older movies. 

#384405 Modern English Version

Posted by paid4 on 28 August 2014 - 10:06 AM

The King James Bible is the infallible, inerrant, indisputable written Word of God.


What's the point of ever changing or swerving away from it?


Sinful man will never understand it because it is a spiritual book.

God's people have a hard time understanding some parts of it because they have not grown that much yet.

If you couple the KJV with the Holy Spirit there's nothing that you cannot understand.


I think sometimes they just want to get a paycheck when they try to rewrite it.

#384408 Modern English Version

Posted by John81 on 28 August 2014 - 10:37 AM

Whatever our person thoughts on the KJB, the fact does remain many Christians (not speaking of lost folks here even though they could be included) do indeed have a difficult time with the language in the KJB. Most aren't going to take the time (most don't even know it can be done or how to go about it) to learn to understand the KJB. This is especially true when Christian bookstores are filled with dozens of other versions that each tries to corner the "easy to read" market.


As Mike pointed out, words such as "ye, thou, thee" have a different meaning than a simple "you". Yet even there, most folks have no clue about that fact. I've even heard preachers who use the KJB substitute "you" for these words as they try to read from their KJB without using the words actually written there.


Recent studies indicate that nearly 20% of Christians never read the Bible while only 20% say they read the Bible regularly. The other 80% of Christians fall in the category of reading the Bible maybe a couple times a month or a couple times a year. That's a very dismal report. That tells us that even with a plethora of "easy to read" Bibles out there, most American Christians still aren't reading them. This when nearly every American home has over 4 Bibles, according to surveys.


Likely as not, even if an updated KJB that everyone here would find acceptable were to be produced, it would draw few new Bible readers.


Removal of the Bible from public schools and colleges has given us generations in America now who are biblically illiterate. Couple that with the poor Bible teaching in many American churches and things only get worse. Added to that is the lower literacy rate in America as fewer Americans can even read or read at a 6th grade level.


It's not only the Bible that's not being read, according to surveys, fewer Americans today read any books at all.


The whole argument that "if we had an easier to read Bible more people would be reading the Bible" has proven to be false. There are far more than enough easy to read, watered down Bibles out there and people still aren't reading them.


By both conviction and preference, I'll be sticking with the KJB.

#382169 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by DaveW on 14 August 2014 - 04:58 PM

"There is a gap because some irrelevant verses say a day is a thousand years. But we don't know how long the gap. It is not long enough for evolution to happen though."

If you put a gap there that can not be determined in its length, then neither can you restrict it's length.

Your speculation of no more than a thousand years is pure fairytale stuff, for those verses do not determine nor restrict the time of your supposed gap.

Those verses have no indicator that they in any way relate to creation either, so to apply them to creation has no justification.

#382128 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by John81 on 14 August 2014 - 07:18 AM

It really depends upon what we believe the pastor to be in the wrong about. Is he wrong about the color he wants the church to be painted or is he wrong about his presentation of the Gospel?


I've never met a pastor I was in 100% agreement with but the two pastors I had for the longest I was in very high agreement with and on the matters where I would have a disagreement they were not key matters of doctrine or anything like that.


The one pastor I did have which I had an important disagreement with I spoke to privately and got nowhere. There were two others in the church who had the same issue, both had spoken to the pastor to no effect either. We approached the pastor together and told him we would like to discuss the issue with him. The pastor agreed, made an appointment, we met, shared our concerns (with applicable Scripture) and the pastor sat there mostly in silence as we talked. When we finished the pastor made it very clear to us that he was running the church, he wasn't about to change things back or stop what he was doing and if we didn't like it we could leave. Then he stood up, said he wouldn't talk about it anymore and showed us the door. We left and went church hunting.


So, if the disagreement is over a matter of real importance, ask to speak with the pastor about it. If the disagreement is over a matter of lesser importance, consider the matter very carefully and prayerfully as to whether it's worth bringing up or not. In both cases, be in much prayer, follow the Lord's leading.

#382126 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by paid4 on 14 August 2014 - 07:00 AM

First of all study the issue that you have a problem with.

Second go to him and him alone. Matthey 18:15

If he is a real pastor then he will have no problem discussing with you the difference of opinion. Whatever the case, use scripture and only scripture as your guide.

Third do all of this with a restoring/growing attitude. Don't accuse the pastor (1 Timothy 5:19) of doing wrong, rather have him show you with scripture why he believes what he believes.


Most importantly be in much prayer daily and be very patient. Way too many "church" decisions are made on the spur of the moment giving heed to the devil and lying spirits oftentimes. Never make a spiritual decision in the flesh. That's to say don't let feelings rule over discernment.


Keep these things in mind and keep a pure heart and God will lead you in what to do. Always remember that the only one you both will ever have to answer to is God himself. Hebrews 13:17 and Romans 14:11-12


I'm going through some of the same stuff you are right now. Praying for you for sure!!

#382068 How Old Is The Earth

Posted by MountainChristian on 13 August 2014 - 12:02 PM

Without putting any words in anyone's mouth, is this what's being said? (Taken from Les' web pages)


Genesis 1:2

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Now from my understanding of the word "created" which is "Barah" in the Hebrew, and I’ve even read some Hebrew commentary on it not too long ago, that the word meant "perfect creation." In other words God did not create the mess as I call verse 2, because when you look at that verse the earth is under flood water, it’s void, or of no use, and yet that which evidently God had created perfectly in verse 1 must have been without a flood, and yet here in verse 2 it is void, and under water. 
Now I’ve learned over the years to call verse 2 "The First Flood," and Noah’s was the second. Well what happened here in verse 2? Why did God destroy that original beautiful earth that He had created by the word of His mouth? Well naturally something cataclysmic had to have happened, and I think the best way we can find the answer for that is go to the Scripture itself. I know some theologians will disagree with me, but just as many will agree, but this is the way I feel the most comfortable with this whole idea that between verse 1 and verse 2 something terrible happened, so that God had to destroy the earth with a flood. So now let’s turn to Ezekiel chapter 28, and we’ll begin with verse 13. 
Now I don’t take this approach just simply to pacify the evolutionist concepts of the billions of billions of years of time. No way at all. I don’t do this to just simply insert the geological ages of time, which I don’t agree with. I don’t agree with the evolutionist approach whatsoever. I’m a creationist, and believe that in the beginning God spoke the Word, and everything was created as He wanted to create it. But I do have to feel that after a certain period of time, and I don’t know how long that was, it might have been 5 years, or 500 years, or even 5 billion, I don’t know, and again my answer is, "So what!" But I do feel that there was an interruption because of something that drastically took place, and I think we can begin to find that answer in Ezekiel chapter 28. (goes on to talk about the devil)


bara translated create (42x), creator (3x), choose (2x), make (2x), cut down (2x), dispatch (1x), done (1x), make fat (1x) + commentary = "perfect creation"

waters + own ideas = flood

own ideas of flood + void = devil's kingdom

own ideas of devil's kingdom + more ideas = unknown amount of time


#381839 Pre Tribulation Rapture

Posted by John81 on 11 August 2014 - 06:27 PM

I don't know, the supposed highest authority on earth (President Obama) not long ago declared the world is safer and more peaceful than ever.


Of course he spends a lot of time on a golf course closed off to the real world.

#379615 Choosing A Church

Posted by 2bLikeJesus on 22 July 2014 - 02:45 PM

I was in the same situation when I first moved to Oregon.  There are extremely few IFB churches in Oregon and there were none in the Eugene/Springfield area.  I was forced to attend a Southern Baptist Church in Eugene that was definitely a "Laodocian" church and very lukewarm.  There were 3 other families though that attended that were of like mind and faith and seeking an IFB church.  We started meeting at each others houses every Saturday for bible study.  We also took up an offering each week to put towards the possibility of becoming a church some day.  After about a year we had grown to 30 people and had raised $20,000 and we then made it known to other IFB churches that we were officially seeking a Pastor to take our group and make a church.  Thus was born, Mt. Pisgah Baptist Church in Springfield, OR. under Pastor Nick Gillaspie.  


Bro. Garry

#379583 Choosing A Church

Posted by EKSmith on 22 July 2014 - 12:29 AM

When I moved from my hometown to where I'm at today it took a lot of searching before I found a IFBC  when I found one I did not know it had lost it's pastor and had hired a new one which was part of the new evangelical movement 5 years later the church was destroyed and I was looking for another church  there's a lot of the same church's here and I'm not going to join one just to be in church . I did find one about 35 miles from my house but I have not joined because it's an IBC and they use more then bible ( I'm KJO) and I disagree with some of the doctrines taught . l've tried to be a good witness to a lot of it's members but lately things are getting as I have seen before in my last church and it wont be long and ccm will creeping in the doors .


I was a Youth Pastor for 20 years until God called me into the evangelist ministry and the mission fields for 7 years and now God is calling me back into the youth ministry but this time I will be starting a church with the youth in our town just recently we had our first meeting and had 35 youth attend a lot of them where young adults whom I taught for many years ( how great the rewards ) whom are born again christian's  IFB we don't have a place to meet regular yet but we are seeking God in prayer daily to bless the ministry for His Glory.


We are all called into the ministry and if we can't find a church there is always a need for a new one to be started '' Many times I have taught that On Our Knees God Will Lead "  seeking God Daily in Prayer is our power to do all things in Him for His Glory.

Today Many church's a falling away and It's getting harder to find one that hasn't become worldly and my friend you are in my prayers that God will direct your way to find the right church.



God bless 

#378476 Paul Chappell - Are You A Servant Leader Or Simply A Ministry Manager?

Posted by Steve Schwenke on 01 July 2014 - 04:23 PM

Mike, I like a lot of what you said.  Here is my take on it.


First, the word "bishop" means "overseer" so prophet was wrong all along.  That is the meaning of the word, like it or not.

Second, the word "elders" is sometimes used in reference to the office of the pastor, but not always.  A pastor IS an elder, but not all elders are pastors.  Thus, a church should have multiple "elders" but not necessarily multiple pastors.  All of this plays into what Mike said about the pastor being accountable to the church, and the church working as a whole making decisions together, with the leadership of the pastor.  The pastor does not dictate, but he leads, guides, corrects, and gives the church the information they need to make a decision.  However, the CHURCH makes the decision, not the pastor, unless they choose to delegate some areas of responsibility to him to make decisions on unilaterally.  But these should be spelled out very clearly, and even then, the church body has the right to govern those decisions.

Thus, in our church, I am the pastor.  But when it comes to difficult issues that arise, I have found it best to consult with spiritually minded men who have a different perspective than I do.  They see things I don't see.  So I will speak to two or three different men individually, cull their minds, pray, and then either make a decision based on their counsel, or call for a church wide meeting to settle the matter.  That is what the "elders" are for.


Therefore, there is merit in the argument prophet1 is making regarding the totalitarian nature of many modern day IFB "pastors."  However, he, as others, have swung to the opposite extreme demanding multiple "pastors" when the Bible makes no such call.  The office of the Bishop is a special calling from God Himself, and the duties upon the pastor include LEADING the church.  However, the Scriptures are clear in all of the NT passages regarding this office that the pastor is NOT to rule unilaterally as a dictator, but under the guidance and counsel of the church body, particularly the deacons (who are also "elders") and anyone else considered an elder.


For what its worth, I personally think that the term elders in the plural could be a reference to the combined offices of the pastor and deacon(s).  Thus, the passage in Acts 20 where Paul called for the "elders" of Ephesus, he was not necessarily calling for multiple "pastors" but rather the pastor of the church in addition to anyone else in a leadership position in that church, serving under the pastor.


Hopefully, that makes cents....er, sense.


In Christ,

#378360 Similarities Between Mormonism And Catholicism

Posted by Allen on 29 June 2014 - 07:55 PM

Similar to the Mormon teaching, the RCC teaches that men become God.


It's buried in the bowels of their catechism, but it's there...


Paragraph 1. The Son of God Became Man
460 The Word became flesh to make us...
***** "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God." *****
"The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."

#377752 Why The Rift?

Posted by "I am chief" on 22 June 2014 - 02:34 PM

I sum all of this up to folks taking their eyes off of Jesus Christ and focusing on comparison theology; that is, my sin isn't as bad as another's sin. We are all flesh and blood and therefore susceptible to sins of the flesh. Parishioner, deacon, teacher, pastor, doorman, evangelist, or whatever your ministry, make sure you maintain it for Christ.


I'll be honest with you Boudreax (ha ha) the house is on fire because too many have pinned their 'religion' on men and not on Jesus Christ. People are allowing themselves to be told what to believe not digging out the gold in God's word for themselves. Boudreaux, do you have a house?


Note: You have to be from down Dixie way to understand the house, Boudreax, and fire comments :) .

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