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#385687 Dispensations

Posted by Ukulelemike on 04 September 2014 - 08:25 AM

Seems to me, if one doesn't knoW WHO Jesus is, we really can't have faith that He can do anything for us. Otherwise, we ask like Pharoah, "Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice...?"  Who is Jesus, that He can do anything for me?


Well, He is the Messiah, the promised one of God, revealed in Genesis 3 as the one who would bruise the serpent's, Satan's, head, which He did on Calvary. Etc, etc, prophecies, David, Solomon, etc..." 


What seems to be being espoused here by some is the basics of easy-believeism, "Just believe in Jesus and that He died for your sins, and you can go to heaven! Yay!"  ALL the information in the Bible about Jesus, from Moses and the prophets, the gospels and the epistles are 'able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2Tim 3;15)  What scriptures do we think Paul was talking about to TImothy, that he knew from childhood? Certainly not the NEW Testament. Timothy was only half Hebrew, half Greek, raised by a Greek father and trained in both, but it wsas the OT that Paul lauded to him as being able to make him saved by faith in Christ Jesus. Not by the law or works or any such thing.

#385446 Shunned By Amish, Pastor Now Pointing Them To The Gospel

Posted by Ukulelemike on 03 September 2014 - 11:03 AM

Oh yes! That's where my community is and there so much to lose when you're own about being saved as Amish. There the belief that you're either Amish, very strict Mennonite in general or your going straight to hell. The bishops have a very strong hold over life. If course you also risk losing your family like I did. It's so much harder, for me, to have kept quiet to. I couldn't take baptism knowing that I'm lying and not going to follow ordnung.

It is always such a hard stand to take, when one's community is also the center of one's religion, or vice-versa. I know the Japanese whose families are strict Buddhists have that obstacle, as well as muslims. Few think of the Amish that way, but yes indeed, many of the orders of the Amish and Mennonites are just as bad, though fortunately they won't kill you for it, just put you forever out of their lives.

#385435 Shunned By Amish, Pastor Now Pointing Them To The Gospel

Posted by Ukulelemike on 03 September 2014 - 10:14 AM

I know the Amish, or at least the ones I met when visiting Pennsylvania at a food stand, carefully steer the conversation away from things of faith, as I tried to speak about the Lord with them. Good whoopie pies, but sadly, even those who may be saved, seem willing to let everyone else rot and go to hell for the sake of a misguided idea of separation.

#385413 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by Ukulelemike on 03 September 2014 - 08:25 AM

That last paragraph sounds good, until you compare it to Scripture.

Jud 1:3-4
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are also, at times, to share the Word of God contentiously.

It flushes out snakes and wolves, who have crept in unawares.

This does not include wringing ones hands and complaining that others are allowed to speak, but rather, teaching the basic doctrines over and over.

Exortation, Rebuke, and Reproval... all necessary.

I actually agree with both points.


I think we need to be discerning when dealing with various believers, because some can receive hard rebukes, while others need a gentler hand. Peter was tough enough to handle being called 'Satan' at his rebuke. Perhaps John, being the one who so often spoke of the love of Jesus, might not have been so able. people are different, and as such, we need to deal with them in different manners, but all in love. Of course Jesus was showing Peter love when He called him Satan, and peter was showing love to Simon when he rebuked him and told him that he was in the gall of bitterness. Simon also seemed to take it well, asking for prayer and not running away angry.


And certainly we are told to be kind one to another, but kindness doesn't stop us from plainly rebuking sin and error. I am one of those folks who is pretty well able to take a rebuke, because I have received so many in my life, (I was pretty rough around the edges as a youth), but some are more tender. But I believe that if our first love is the Lord, any rebuke should be received at least well enough to consider it, because we should always be checking ourselves and our hearts and motives and doctrines, because we are all flawed humans yet.


I may be beginning to ramble, so I'll stop now. Too early to wax theological.

#385321 Dispensations

Posted by Ukulelemike on 02 September 2014 - 06:29 PM

Jesus Christ,.


But believing he is the Christ does not save anyone.  the gospel of Grace is about his atoning death on the cross for all men.  Only belief on the cross of Christ saves.


up until Paul he death burial and resurrection was reserved only for Israel.


Anyone today who teaches that you get saved just by believing Jesus is the Chrsit, of the Messiah, or the son of God is teachig another gospel.

Up until Paul-at what point? When Paul was sent out of the church at Antioch, or the moment of his conversion?


And by the way, on Pentecost, who says all those saved were of Israel? They were of many nations, many languages, not just israelites who had migrated, but these were people who heard the languaes of the places where they were born. In 'our own tongues'. So, not of Israel. converts, perhaps? Jews, yes, but not necessarily Israelites.

#385293 Dispensations

Posted by Ukulelemike on 02 September 2014 - 03:46 PM

Much of the surface of the earth will be destroyed and the population decimated. 

I'm assuming that during the Day of Wrath (last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation, Day of Jacob's Trouble),

Babylon the Great is totally destroyed, and hailstones and asteroids will have destroyed satellites, etc.

so that there is total economic collapse.  So, returning back to a pre-industrial civilization is the result.



And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,

and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the

LORD of hosts hath spoken it.  Micah 4:3-4

That's why I am working on my solar-powered, electric car! Yeah, baby! I'll park it in my underground bunker in the desert, and when Jesus comes, I'll dig it up and drive it. Except I'll be resurrected and won't need it, soooo....

#385272 Videos: Getting Excited In Church

Posted by Ukulelemike on 02 September 2014 - 11:13 AM

Just up to the part where he grabs the mic...and then he tells the people some of them can't sing either.... heh


I guess that pastor never read the verse that says "Make a joyful NOISE unto the LORD..."  Never says make a pleasant sound, just a joyful noise.



#385269 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by Ukulelemike on 02 September 2014 - 11:06 AM

Okay, you're right-back to agreement'disagreement with that pastor.


I admit I don't always agree with my pastor. The sad thing is, I'M the pastor! Which means sometimes I find myself to be incorrect on something and I need to go back and make things right.


Last Sunday I taught on the subject of holiness, as in "Be ye holy, for I am holy", and discussed what it was to be holy, ie, set apart, sanctified and separated unto the work of God.


I spoke about it to the tabernacle and the temple, the holy place and the holiest, or holy of holies, the two places particularly set apart for the service and worship of God.  And I spoke briefly about the church building, which, in itself, is just a building, but it is something that, being set apart for service for the Lord, does, indeed, become, by that standard, a holy place. This is why I teach that a church building should not be used for other purposes, like AA meetings or community meetings or the like-it is set apart, separated, holy unto the work of God, and should be treated as such.


Later as I thought back on the lesson, it occured to me that I did not give such teachings about the building when we had it, and, living in it for a while as I did, it just became like my house, and not as a place holy and separated unto God. And because I never taught about it as such, I wonder if those who are there did not think of it as important, either and thus, it was taken from us-because no one really cared about it from the perspective of being holy to the Lord's work.


Don't misunderstand me-I didn't destroy it or treat it terribly, but not being the greatest housekeeper, living in it did make a mess in some of the back areas, at times, and since we lived toward the back part of the church, aspects of it could not be used for their assigned purposes.


So now, I find it was probably much my own fault we are where we are, and as such, I find myself at odds with my pastor's past practices and as such, I have confronted him and found him willing to turn and repent and do right. He's a pretty cool guy-lol.

#385251 Dispensations

Posted by Ukulelemike on 02 September 2014 - 09:26 AM

Ok, got it.

I see it as teaching the opposite of the renewal of sacrifice.

I see it as saying that everyone's own pot, in their own house, is now sacred, and everyone a priest, taking his priestly portion from his own pot.

I agree. It means, as far as I can see, that EVERYTHING is holy unto God in that time-not just the holy items in the temple, but ALL pots and bowls everywhere will be holy before the Lord, all set apart and anctified to the service of God. Interesting to note, as well, that upon the bells of the horses, it says HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD, because horses were an unclean animal under the law, but here, even the horses are holy unto God.

#385191 Videos: Getting Excited In Church

Posted by Ukulelemike on 01 September 2014 - 11:07 PM

Starts at about 35 seconds. Maybe you've seen it?


#385189 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by Ukulelemike on 01 September 2014 - 10:58 PM

I would ask you to present some proof that "95% teach tithing".


This is not my experience at all.


I have NEVER personally heard the tithe taught as a necessity in any IFB church I have ever been to.


I certainly am not saying it does not happen, but when people use terms like "95%" or even "most", I find it hard to believe.


I have heard people use it as "an example to follow, but only as the Lord leads", never as a necessity - the heart of giving is always emphasised.


So - prove it, or stop it.


Proof of "most" or "95%" or else stop saying it.


How about saying "Whenever people preach tithing as a necessity it is wrong"?


That I have no problem with.

At all.


In any way......


But stop making accusations that are simply not true.


It is not 95%, nor in my experience is it "most".


MY personal experience is that it is actually NO IFB church preaches it, but I have heard reports of some who do, so I would never say that no IFB church preaches - that would by just as wrong as saying "95%" or "Most".


"Some do" would be an acceptable statement - but not "95%".

Of course, I can only speak to my experience, but in the roughly 30 years I have been an IFB, going only to IFB churches from the west coast to the east coast, as well as every one I have visited, 100% of them have taught the tithe, as well as NT free-will giving on top of that. Basically, a 10% tithe is required, such that God will TAKE it if you don't give it. I said 95% yes, just off the top of my head, but the first church I have ever been in, mine is the first NOT to teach it.


So, yes, I admit, the 95% is not based up-on researched information, and I apologize for my assumption and incorrect information, but as I said, we can but speak to our experience, and I have just a little.

#384872 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by Ukulelemike on 31 August 2014 - 06:18 PM

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:  Rom 15:8


The Kingdom of Heaven was at hand and ready to be established on the earth - but was rejected.

The Body of Christ (ie: the "new man", the Church - composed of Jew & Gentile) wasn't even revealed until

Acts 9 when Jesus himself revealed this "mystery" (which had been hidden) directly to the Apostle Paul.

Then why did Jesus tell the apostles to preach the gospel to every creature? He wasn't just speaking of Jews, but every creature-yes, starting in Jerusalem, but then Judea, Samaria and the uttermost parts of the earth. Do you suppose He wanted them to only seek out Jews in those places? What did Peter preach to Cornelius, particularly when Peter had had no discourse with Paul to hear the gospel supposedly hidden until then? Indeed, Jesus made clear to Peter that there was NO difference bwteeen Jew and Gentile, but, in his own words, "God is no respecter of persons, but in every nation he that feareth Him and worketh righteousness is accepted of Him."


Later, in Acts 15, Peter says that the Gentiles were saved the same way as they, (the Jewish believers) were saved. "And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith...But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we shall be saved, even as they." (Acts 15:9, 11).


In Acts 2, this is the beginning of the expansion of the church in Jerusalem-there was already a church in place, because those who were saved on Pentecost were 'added unto them". The church.

#384860 Agreement/disagreement With The Pastor

Posted by Ukulelemike on 31 August 2014 - 04:13 PM

You do, indeed, face a difficult decision:


  Go to a church with some aberrant teachings




  Go nowhere.


Both have challenges to them.  Personally, I would choose the church with the fewest aberrant doctrines, because no matter where you go, chances are there will be something you disagree with-a perfect church wouldn't want you, or me, as part anywaqys because we would surely bring them down a notch or two.


But, the reason I would go the way I would, is because to get out altogether is dangerous-a church with a few dfficulties will challenge one to study things out, to better learn the doctrines in question. And you'll certainly have to stay in prayer, and teach your children the truth of the matter, but to get out al the way can set a precedence in your live that can be very dfficult to overcome.  I got out of church for a while due to issues I had with the pastor, and I found it difficult to get back in again, and then, to remain faithful. It took my new pastor to lovingly, but firmly, call me on lying about why I was missing service to wake me up, humble me and get right. But it was hard. Believers are made to seek fellowship and to be a part of a church-to not be a part is unnatural for the believer, so better to go somewhere where there might be some wrong teachings, (if not too bad), and keep yourself pure, while reaping the benefits of the assembly, than to leave it all, even for a while, and risk falling into a spiritual stupor.

#384858 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by Ukulelemike on 31 August 2014 - 04:04 PM

The Kingdom ruled by Messiah is taught in the OT, not clearly a millennial kingdom. The question is "to what extent is the present Gospel age the prophesied Kingdom, where such prophecies are fulfilled by the salvation of many from the nations before the perfect fulfilment in the resurrection? Does Scripture require a further intermediate kingdom age?"


We need to see how Jesus & his Apostles understood OT prophecy. After the Jewish leaders rejected the Apostolic Gospel, the true, heavenly Jerusalem was the focus.  (Gal. 4, Heb.12) And even before, Jesus explained to the Samaritan woman that true worship was wherever believers worshipped in Spirit & in truth. (John 4) We do see a spiritual understanding of OT prophecy.


True Israel comprises believing Jews, together with grafted in believing Gentiles, generally understood as the church - as the Pentecostal Jewish converts were called. (Acts 2) The church certainly never excludes true Jews. Nor are the people of God, my people, exclusively Jews. (Hosea 1, 2 Cor. 6, Rom. 9)

Except we are not grafted into Israel, but into God. Israel was God's chosen nation, God's people, but because of their rejection, they were brances cut out of the root, God. Gentiles becamse believers and were grafted into that root, as new people of God, and some of the originals remained, because they believed and were born again. Israel is not the root, they were just branches.

#384447 A Recommendation For Mature Christians

Posted by Ukulelemike on 28 August 2014 - 06:28 PM

It's amazing how much great stuff is in all those pages of the Bible that so often get passed over.


It's like the book of Psalms. I had read several of them before but until I read all of them I had no idea what great beauty, depth and treasure was there.

In our church, we read a Psalm each week, read by a different person. We have been through it once, and once through Proverbs, and have started Psalms again. Gets people a little more engaged. Either myself or my wife will read the longer Psalms, due to reading ability, (though I recently discovered a man who is an excellent reader who only read for his first time recently), and I read Ps. 119, and use it for a lesson.

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