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#334131 The False Teachings of Seventh Day Adventism

Posted by Ukulelemike on 21 June 2013 - 02:12 PM

I was going to start an SDA thread, but here's a nice one to resurrect!


In our area, there are quite a few SDA folks. My wife is good friends with a couple. Interesting thing about them, is they agree with us that from a Sabbath perspective, it was originally never meant as a day to gather and worship-rather, as a day of rest, to stay home, relax, and seek God as a family. Including not to even light a fire. So, they have no church they gather with on Saturdays. In this, at least they get it.


The trouble with the SDA church is that, like so many other cults, there are many things they are correct about, but then, there are so many false doctrines, as well. My wife and I enjoy watching things on the creation vs. evolution subject, and there is an SDA teacher named Walter Veith who is excellent-almost an SDA Dr. Dino. Very informed, very smart and with great understanding of the subject. We watched all his videos, enjoyed them much, but of course, then my wife's friend sent us some of his other DVD's on specific SDA subjects, and its amazing to see how this man with such good understanding, suddenly begins towing the 'party line' and spouting the doctrines of the SDA without giving any biblical evidence to support it. Amazing the blind spots they set for themselves!


Ellen White: While many say, "Well. White was a good writer, and she had some inspiration, but we don't follow her as a prophet", yet according to SDA official writings, this is false: they hold her as a prophet, that she was given 'special light' to understand the scriptures. Her dreams and visions were given to her, and were to be considered authoritative. Such teachings as soul sleep/annihilation, no hell/punishment, the investigative judgment, the lifting of the seventh-day Sabbath above all other commandments, and as being necessary for salvation today, and, originally, veganism, not vegetarianism, were directly from her fertile imagination. She also taught, for quite a few years, the need to wear a certain style of special, 'healthy' clothing. Even the way God judges or blesses you are said to be in accordance with how well you follow or reject White's teachings, many of which were blatantly plagerized.


White was a compatriate of such health-seekers as Kellogg, (yes, the cereal guy), and her views on health matters were certainly based upon their teachings, not anything of the Bible. She also continued to eat meat, butter and such until the day she died, while insisting that no one else should.


Some lasting fruit of the SDA movement is that Charles Taze Russel was and SDA before leaving and starting the Watchtower Tract and Bible Society, also known as the Jehovah's Witnesses. He brought some of her teachings with him, such as soul-sleep and an unbelief in eternal punishment.


Like many cults, we can look at their early "authoritative' writings, and see many places where changes have been made over the years. Like Veganism has gone from being a command from God, to a suggestion to eat less meat today.


My concern, of course, is that anyone who gets 'saved' in the SDA church is not really saved at all, because an aspect of their salvation is a dependence upon works and the law to remain saved. Hence, they trust in Grace AND works for salvation=not saved.  But, I know many go into their church already saved, just immature, and misled. A family from my church had some minor issue with my wife, and they left and are now meeting with this friend of my wife's. One is (ostensibly) saved, while his wife and her mother, I suspect not. So, being the man who led him to Christ, his spiritual father, as Paul was to, say, Timothy, I am planning on sending him a letter with my concerns for their souls, and a book to read by David Cloud, "Avoiding the Snare of Seventh Day Adventism". This is an excellent book, based on his own studies of their own writings and history, their official books, as well as taking a corresponence course from them. If you want a very indepth look at them, pick up this book.


So, what do YOU think about the SDA?

#334124 I Am A Racist!

Posted by Ukulelemike on 21 June 2013 - 10:56 AM

When it comes to Islam I like the gentleman in this video am indeed a "Racist."  

I know that God will sort the whole thing out one day, but I also know that it is going to get really messy in the meantime - messy in Britain and also messy here in America.




God bless,


Allow me a tad of contention with your statement: Do you, indeed, hate those who are of middle-Eastern descent? Are you against their 'race' as a whole, for no other reason, than their race? If so, then you are, indeed, a racist. However, while Islam may be closely related TO the Middle-Eastern/Arabic people, if it is Islam that you hate, then you aren'r racist, just right to be against a false religion bring people down to the pit.  We should ALL hate lies and iniquity-that isn't racism, because there is no 'evil' race-races are made up of individuals and each must decide what they will do.


So, I suspect you're not racist, because to be so would betray you as not being Christian, because the gospel is to go out to the ends of the earth, to ALL people of ALL races. Thus, all races are equal in God's eyes: each needing redemption through Jesus Christ, and each, welcome into the family.


I suppose if I could watch the video, it might explain better where you're coming from, but in my current location, videos are not able to be seen. 


However, while I suspect I understand what you're saying, this is not to really try and rebuke you, but to rebuke the idea that if one hates evil, then they must be racist if one particular race seems to lean that way. Like being a racist o=if you think Obama is a lousy president, because he's doing a poor job in the office-nothing about racism at all, just judging him on the content of his character, as MLK told us we should. He just comes up wanting.

#334120 Warning To Mid And Post Tribulation Rapture Believers!

Posted by Ukulelemike on 21 June 2013 - 09:41 AM

Indeed hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of Christian men have seen their wives children and other loved ones tortured and killed for following Christ. These men, and most often their families as well, seem most often to have stood firm in their faith, knowing this life is but little and absent from the body means present with the Lord. Countless men, and their families, have submitted to death, rejoicing they were counted worthy to suffer for Christ. Wow!


I don't know about others but when I read in Scripture of the Apostles rejoicing that they were beat and persecuted for following Christ I'm humbled and convicted. When I read of the untold numbers of Christians since then who acted similarly and when I read of some today who face torture, imprisonment and death for the sake of Christ, I'm again humbled and convicted.


I've read and heard from Christians in other lands who have been able to visit America just how shocked they were at the worldliness of our churches, the shallowness of our faith, how we seem to take so much for granted, how much we put into the world and the flesh and how little we put towards the eternal things of God. Many Christians in other lands actually pray for persecution to come upon American Christians in order to separate the goats from the sheep and deepen the faith of Christ's true followers.


Meanwhile so many American Christians are more concerned about what's on TV, who's running for election, and stockpiling guns and ammo so they can have a shootout with anyone who dares come at them because they are Christians; rather than being about the things of God.


I sometimes wonder just how much more we will be judged of the Lord for having so much yet giving so little to Him while we used so much to indulge ourselves.

As well, how about the various Christians who, upon persecution, start seeking to sue for reparations/damage/false imrpisonment? Instead of counting it joy to suffer for the Lord, they want to sue everyone. We all want to 'demand our rights!' and forget all about rejoicing for our suffering, because, like Job's friends, many believe today that suffering is a sign that you are wrong, when history and scripture tells us it is often the opposite.


There has been conversation about Kent Hovind in here, and some nasty things said about him. While some believe he has gotten what he deserved, (and avoiding the whole tax thing for now), the bottom line is, this man has taken the travesty of justice done to him, and has used it to expand the ministry the Lord has given him, and like Paul, starts Bible-study groups wherever he is, and sees people brought to the Lord. This, I believe, more than anything, shows the character of this man. People can moan and complain and call him a tax cheat, which he isn't, but thats for another discussion, but he accepted what the Lord has given him and turned it for God's glory in the souls saved, and the seed sown and watered, if not reaped.

#334113 Warning To Mid And Post Tribulation Rapture Believers!

Posted by Ukulelemike on 21 June 2013 - 07:35 AM

Don't know if I mentioned it before, but I spoke, by email, with a Baptist preacher, (don't remember the context, but I remember he was pretty well-known), and, discussing the situation of pre/mid/post trib scenarios , his statement to me was that he could never believe in a God that would make him watch as someone kllled his wife and children in front of him. In this, I wondered if this man, of whm I has though so much of, had any sense of the history of Christianty, since that sort of thing has actually been more common than some might think. 


This is the same thinking of many Christians today-that somehow, we are SO awesome that we will never see any sort of persecution. Personally, with the foolishness within many 'churches' today, we are preobably the one group that deserves some tribulation-or need it, to strengthen us.

#334064 Warning To Mid And Post Tribulation Rapture Believers!

Posted by Ukulelemike on 20 June 2013 - 04:35 PM

beameup, Why do you suggest that the plain words of Jesus to his disciples to do apply them ???


Must you dispensationalise EVERYTHING ???? Jesus is talking to real, living people, challenging them - and us - to follow him, and to expect suffering as a result.


Yes, the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. And yes, that will be at his second coming for resurrection and judgement. But v. 28 is NOT concerned with that second coming, as all those to whom he was speaking have died. Was v.28 referring to the transfiguration (the next event);  Pentecost (when Jesus was declared to be both Lord and Christ); his coming in judgment of the generation that rejected him (He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others)?


Some of them lived beyond ad 70, but none beyond about ad 100.


When will you acknowledge that prophecy is concerned with real, living people, rather than an imagined future dispensation ??

Except Jesus has NOT come in His kingdom. His kingdom is yet future. It spoke of John the Apostle, who lived to 'see' Jesus come in His kingdom, in the Revelation he received on Patmos. Otherwise, if Jesus HAS come in His kingdom, where is it? Are we living in it? Is it on earth now, with Jesus ruling with a rod of iron? If Jesus' kingdom has come to earth, its a pretty sorry kingdom. 


Now, I DO believe that the church age, as it were, is a picture of Jesus' kingdom-not yet fulfilled, but a picture of it. But the kingdom, sp to speak, came, not in 70AD, but when Jesus rose from the dead in victory over death and sin, and fully secured salvation for all humanity.

#334035 Exodus' Alan Chambers Offers Shocking Apology To Gay Community

Posted by Ukulelemike on 20 June 2013 - 09:56 AM

Not a shock: this is not a ministry, not a church, but a para-church organization. these ALWAYS...always, move into compromise. Most begin in compromise, like Promise Keepers, while some, like the inevitably move into it. The work of God was designed to be run directly through churches, local, New Testament churches, not para-church organizations. When we move further and further from the biblical model, we move directly to worldly compromise.

#334013 Warning To Mid And Post Tribulation Rapture Believers!

Posted by Ukulelemike on 20 June 2013 - 12:23 AM

This is in reference to the Second Coming, Those who were martyred during the Tribulation for refusing the Mark of the Beast.

Pish-tosh; this refers to ALL believers of ALL the church age. Yes, the reference to the rewards DOES refer to the end, but the promise is made to ALL believers. Otherwise, what has been the point of those who are killed for Jesus' sake all during the church age?

#333970 Is A Mohawk Sin?

Posted by Ukulelemike on 19 June 2013 - 11:31 AM

In the Bible, piercing the ear is associated with being a bondservant. When a servant is offered freedom, but, for whatever reason, chooses to stay and serve, he is taken to the post of the door of the house, and his ear is punched through with an awl, attaching it to the house, symbolically showing he belongs to that house, by choice, forever. I assume that an earring of some sort was then placed into it, to remain as an everlasting reminder of his bondservant status.


I believe that to pierce one's flesh for decoration, anywhere, one or multiple times, is to show disregard for the temple of the Spirit, to show that we aren't satisified with the body the Lord has given us, in the form He has given it. I must pierce it, and then hang something from it. I must tattoo it and then decorate it. I must change the color of my hair, because I'm not happy with the hair the Lord gave me.


Nope, don't approve of any of it. Mind you, I'm not beating anyone up-it was just mentioned, and the question was asked, how many is TOO many? I say, any is too many. But that's just how I see it.

#333968 The Mid Tribulation Rapture

Posted by Ukulelemike on 19 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

Well, even though we disagree, its always fascinating to see all the various views.


I praise God that none of our views matters in our salvations, and that the Lord is faithful to do His will in His time.


Though one thing I recommend to all: seeing as how we DO have all these various views, methinks t'would be wise to prepare in case our own view is incorrect. We all seem to have some scripture on our sides, at least, how we interpret them, and I think none of us are what one might call 'ignorant' of the scripture; meaning, we're all working as intelligent, born-again believers who have studied. So, we might all want to be prepared for the worst, while hoping for the best.


See, one of my concerns has always been, will the faith of some be overthrown if, believing they will be raptured before trubulation occurs, they instead remain into the time of tribulation, and as they see obvious things occuring of that time, will they think themselves lost, or be angry at God for not rapturing them, believing Him to be unfaithful to His word?  Not that it will mean they will lose salvation, but it won't make it easier to get through the trouble.


So, it seems we should be ready, for whatever happens: If the Lord raptures us before the tribulation, let us live each day ready in our hearts for His return, not as the five virgins who slumbered and slept. But, should He return later, let us be prepared to stand and, if needed, die for our faith, though all tribulation and trouble, trusting the Lord for all.

#333872 Warning To Mid And Post Tribulation Rapture Believers!

Posted by Ukulelemike on 18 June 2013 - 04:58 PM

Well, its getting to where, these days, many consider it taken to an 'extreme' just because one wants to live out of the city, in the country. Of course, the government is pushing to get more and more back into the cities, because people are easier to control. We see soe of this evidence in they way they always want to roll over for the environmentalists, and if you've ever seen any of the maps of the country they are trying to get made leagl, it would put everyone into compact city centers, and leave the rest to become 'wilderness' areas, protected from any encroachment. Of course, the funny thing with that is that it would lead to desertification, wildfires and general destruction. There is a reason the Lord told man to take dominion of the earth-as  much as they like to get on grazing animals and insist they are destroying the land, in reality, in areas where those same animals have been removed, desertification happens very quickly.


We are 'preppers' insofar as we have a small farm, and are off-grid, relying on solar and wind generation for our power. Is it a bit pricey? Sure, at first, but it would have cost over $40,000 to bring power to our farm, and that's just installation-doesn't include the regular monthly bills, the frequent outages we get here, and constant price hikes. So, we buy a panel here, a windmill there, a few batteries, and bingo-we're up and running! Not done yet, but panels have gotten less expensive. When my wife began, a 55 watt panel cost about $500.00. Now we can buy a 245 watt panel for $250.00 after taxes.


We raise goats, rabbits and chickens for food, eggs and milk, and are increasing our garden size every year. However, I also know that, when things really begin to happen, if we are here when antichrist comes to power, since he is directly empowered by Satan, well, he'll know where we all are-there will really be no escape. Rather, we just like having some amount of freedom from many bills, even though it takes more work. Freedom. It doesn't come easy, but there it is.  

#333686 Way Of Life - Challenges To Lancastor Supporters

Posted by Ukulelemike on 17 June 2013 - 01:15 PM

One of the things that gets me about this whole argument against what David Cloud is saying on the subject, is that pastors are essentially mot on;y admitting ignorance about the music and effects, but then claiming that since they ARE ignorant, it doesn't matter. "I don't know anything about syncopation or rythms, all I know is its good music!" There are a lot pf people ignorant of the Bible, and its going to have eternal consequences. Ignorance of the truth is no excuse. I would think an honest pastor who heard such things, if they knew nothing about it, would at least be willing to do a little study on the subject so thay can make informed choices where their churches are concerned. It is sounding too much like evolutionists, who just repeat things spoken by their professors and favorite writers, and never bother to research themselves.


I am not a master of music, but I know enough to understand what Cloud is saying, and that he speaks the truth. The issues are not minor, just because one doesn't understand it. And no, not everyone needs to have a degree in music theory, but it would help all pastors to have SOME training in it, as well as music directors. "STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth". Study does not have to be relegated to only scripture: there are many things that can help improve understanding of scripture, including music, history, and so forth.

#333658 Reverse Application Of Ccm

Posted by Ukulelemike on 17 June 2013 - 12:48 AM

 What are they thinking?

ARE they thinking?

#333649 Irs Infiltrating Churches

Posted by Ukulelemike on 16 June 2013 - 11:42 PM

But that's neat you actually have that 'in-between' kind of option. I wish we had it. Our church doesn't want the oversight, so we've declined the tax-exempt status, which means that we don't get exemptions for donations and the church has to pay taxes in donations received. It would be awfully nice to be able to use those tax dollars for ministry instead!

NONONONO! A church is automatically tax EXCEPTED. That means a church still doesn't have to pay taxes on donation, because they are excepted from taxes.

#333647 Is A Mohawk Sin?

Posted by Ukulelemike on 16 June 2013 - 11:28 PM

Yes, mohawks are sin. Didn't you read the part in the Bible where it says, "thou shalt not mohawk"? (2Opinions 3:14)

#333601 Irs Infiltrating Churches

Posted by Ukulelemike on 16 June 2013 - 10:11 AM

If churches would remove themselves from the government's grip by discarding their 501c3 status, they would find the IRS would have no grip over them. In this case, while I agree that freedom of speech is a thing of the past, yet when a house of God goes, cap in hand, to Uncle Sam, asking him for favors, he can expect strings attatched, big enough to pull an aircraft carrier. 501c3 status means you have asked for, and received a favor, a secial tax status, from the government-in turn, you aren't then allowed to speak of certain things, ie, whatever the government disapproves of. 


If you think about it, its really not that unreasonable. If you come to me and ask for $20, I have a right to say, "Okay, but you can't buy booze, drugs or smokes with that money!" Unike a gift, a request for a favor should be expected, when granted, to come with stipulations.


The IRS has a provision in place specifically for churches-508c1a, a status that falls, by default, upon churches. There is no need to request it, because churches fall naturally under it. It states that churches are not exempt, whch is temporary and can be denied, but EXCEPTED from taxes. Its in the code. Because of that, the IRS, unless it re-writes the entire code and removes that, has no power over the church that is under this code.


But when a church requests special tax EXEMPT status, 501c3, which was never designed for churches, along with it comes the burden of the rules for tax exemption, one of which is that they are not supposed to engage in aprtisan politics.


Of course, we know that, as long as the pooitics are liberal, there's no problem: the Dems like to speak from pulpits all the time. The ACLU clearly engages in politics all the time. But f it conservative in nature, then the rules fall upon them.


So churches, dump the 501c3!

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