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#387250 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 12 September 2014 - 07:41 PM

You can't work the Word of against itself.
Satan will be bound for a thousand years.
This binding had not happened when Paul said Satan hindered him.
At least Paul didn't think Satan was very bound.

You take an analogy and present it against a clear statement.
The clear statement supports the idea that Satan is not yet bound.
Satan is bound at the start of the thousand years spoken of in Rev 20.

The thousand years - which is a thousand years despite what Covey tries to twist it into - has not started yet - too much of Revelation is yet unfulfilled.
Or at least there is no evidence of it being fulfilled on the scale and to the level of detail recorded in Revelation.

Satan is not bound and cast into the pit at this time - not as it says in Rev 20.


#387131 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 12 September 2014 - 04:15 AM

And Dan does not allow the "last 3 1/2 years" to start at Calvary.
But again, don't let what the Word of God actually says get in the way.


#387090 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 11 September 2014 - 06:08 PM

With wave of the magic wand of "figurative speech" you dismiss what the Bible describes in great detail, and therefore can ignore any problems you might have.
Then you say the binding took place after the death of Christ, and again ignore the facts of Satan working against Paul and others by saying the Jews are Satan.

So you solve your other problems by assigning a totally different meaning to a term that causes you problems.

You can explain anything you like. It is easy if you just ignore the words used, or change the meanings to suit yourself, or use the magic word "figurative" to make it mean something else entirely.

why can you not just read the passage and understand what it says?


#386134 Dispensations

Posted by DaveW on 06 September 2014 - 06:02 PM

It actually doesn't matter what ancient men believed any more than it matters what modern men believe. Just because you can find someone 1200 years ago who believes something doesn't make that thing any more or less right.
There are after all warnings in the Bible about false teachers.
What matters is what the Bible actually says - and the majority of it is pretty simple.


#385313 In Maryland, A Soviet-Style Punishment For A Novelist

Posted by John81 on 02 September 2014 - 05:48 PM

As those paying attention have seen over the past decade or two, we only have the freedom they allow us to think we have. At any moment "they" (meaning virtually any 'law enforcement' agency) can take you away and lock you up for little or even no valid reason.

 

People who made "insensitive" comments have been forced into psychiatric programs.

 

There have been many instances of various 'law enforcement' agencies going overboard in cases for the express purpose of ginning up support for budget increases. This has often cost lives, including innocent lives.

 

The filmmaker of that anti-Islam film which Obama tried to blame riots in the Middle East on, was arrested and imprisoned for what is a minor violation in California that typically does not involve prison time.

 

The IRS has been used against "political enemies" of Obama.

 

The Department of Homeland Security, and other 'law enforcement' agencies through them and presidential edict, have the legal authority to declare any US citizen as an enemy combatant, with no proof required, and to lock them up with no constitutional rights, for any amount of time they deem, and without having to inform anyone or allow visitation.

 

We could probably list another hundred or more violations of our liberty and constitutional rights.

 

Sadly, most folks today don't understand the true nature of liberty or the importance of the original constitutional rights. Most are willing to forsake these in the name of "security", with many claiming since they have nothing to hide they don't care.

 

By the Founders definition of freedom we are no longer the land of the free. We are also no longer the land of the brave (there are still some brave folks in America, but today the truly brave are greatly outnumbered by the cowardly masses).




#385109 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 01 September 2014 - 05:13 PM

What a load of tripe.

Simply reading the book of Revelation proves you wrong.

You have to ignore, change, twist, reinterpret, and lie about so much of Revelation to see it your way that is amazing anyone can understand it the way you do.

To prove you wrong I just have to quote the whole book - which I won't do for want of space.


#385076 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by MountainChristian on 01 September 2014 - 02:56 PM

I wasn't there, and John wasn't allowed to write it down. Why should I know?
What do you think of my post?

 

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 
Did that happen in 70 AD?



#385026 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by MountainChristian on 01 September 2014 - 11:15 AM

Why are there more questions than answers????

Thunder is usually God speaking from heaven. At Sinai the people were terrified, so God spoke through Moses. In Deuteronomy 18 God promises that the Messiah will be one of them, so as not to terrify them. When God answered Jesus from heaven in John 12, some heard the voice, others heard thunder. At Pentecost, some heard the wonderful works of God, others dismissed what they heard as drunken babbling.

Revelation 11 makes it very clear that the prophecy predates the destruction, and relates to it. Jesus gave explicit warnings, spelled out in the last week. Do they need a voice from heaven? They have God's word spoken by Moses and the Prophets, and by Jesus and the Apostles. They have rejected every word from God, and persecuted and expelled his servants. What remains but final destruction, as prophesied by Moses, Jesus and Peter. Acts 3.

The 2 witnesses are symbolically Moses and Elijah - the Law and the Prophets. Persistently rejected by the Jewish leaders. They even rejected the resurrection of the Son of God. Luke 16:29-31 They can reject and burn the word, and reject and stone the Prophets, but the Word stands, and witnesses against them. The glory they can give is to acknowledge the righteous judgment of God, though there was even yet time to repent, though not to avert the prophesied destruction.

The Word of the Witnesses was vindicated by the accuracy of the prophecy.

Remember the great tribulation would afflict the generation that rejected Jesus before the destruction.

 

I thought you would know what was said, being you say it happened in 70AD. 




#384945 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by DaveW on 01 September 2014 - 04:54 AM

Rev 11:3  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 
Rev 11:4  These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 
Rev 11:5  And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 
Rev 11:6  These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 
Rev 11:7  And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 
Rev 11:8  And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 
Rev 11:9  And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 
Rev 11:10  And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 
Rev 11:11  And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 
Rev 11:12  And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 
Rev 11:13  And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 
 
 
Hmmm - doesn't look to me like they are "the Law and the Prophets", but two actual men who "shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth".
 
And the events recorded earlier in the book of Revelation don't appear to have happened either......



#384866 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by beameup on 31 August 2014 - 05:39 PM

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:  Rom 15:8

 

The Kingdom of Heaven was at hand and ready to be established on the earth - but was rejected.

The Body of Christ (ie: the "new man", the Church - composed of Jew & Gentile) wasn't even revealed until

Acts 9 when Jesus himself revealed this "mystery" (which had been hidden) directly to the Apostle Paul.




#384690 Way Of Life - Millennial Glory And The Final Rebellion

Posted by beameup on 30 August 2014 - 11:18 AM

Can anyone point me to the references in the Gospels and Epistles where a millennium is taught?

A separate 1,000 year "Millennium" was not revealed until Revelation, however a restoration of the earth with Messiah ruling from Jerusalem is throughout the Old Testament.  The need for a Millennium is a "final solution" to the problem of sin so that God can dwell with man and the universe be filled with righteousness.

 

Peter's sermon to Israel in Acts 3:18-21

But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things,

which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.




#383763 Dispensations

Posted by HappyChristian on 25 August 2014 - 05:02 PM

Ken Blue was the pastor who baptized me.  Way back in the day.  :icon_smile:  




#383578 Dispensations

Posted by beameup on 23 August 2014 - 11:46 PM

I see lots of "semi-Catholics" mixing Grace with Law, replacing Israel with "spiritual Israel"... even among "IFB" it seems.

2 Tim 4:3

 

Part 2 :amen:




#383602 Dispensations

Posted by AVBibleBeliever on 24 August 2014 - 09:27 AM

We are spiritually seed of Abraham....
Israel is his grandson.

First point of confusion, lies with that generation gap.

But there is a difference between the physical seed of Abraham and Israel, and the spiritual seed.  The big thing people think is just because they are a spiritual seed they get all the promises to the Physical seed and that is not correct.

 

Prophet are you watching the video to critique or learn about how dispensations work?




#383657 Dispensations

Posted by beameup on 24 August 2014 - 04:58 PM

Our associate pastor today in Sunday school warned about this dangerous false teaching in the guise of "rightly dividing".

There are a lot of pastors that won't preach the pure Gospel of Grace because they are afraid of losing member$hip.

You can see them on the "Christian" T.V. channels.  But not to worry, the Catholic Church was the first to mix Law & Grace

in the 4th Century, as they continue to this very day.  It seems like a lot of Protestant churches like to plagiarize the false Gospel.

 

Gal 1:8

Gal 1:9






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