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#387591 Rough Couple Of Weeks On The Farm

Posted by wretched on 15 September 2014 - 08:46 PM

You hobby farmers :) I have a dachund that chases and eats whole everything that runs from him, rabbits, squirrels, chipmunks. Cats either out run him or stand him down though.




#384774 Dispensations

Posted by wretched on 30 August 2014 - 08:26 PM

 

Remember NN, I came into this argument late. Nowhere have I (nor anyone else in this thread) stated that keeping the law was necessary nor that works were necessary.  

 

Post 37.

 

However it is Scriptural true that prior to the pouring out of the Spirit, any and all true faith was demonstrated by works as opposed to our time in which the Spirit's regeneration is the demonstration of faith in the Gospel.

 

The issue also isn't your last statement about stumbling, the issue is that noone in the OT had any idea what you are talking about or the OT would clearly state that somewhere. You are reading hindsight and thinking the idea could be commonly known when it was in fact completely unknown (a mystery). No stumbling, just unknown. Believing God when He showed Himself to man was the only thing known at the time.

 

The Bible is the one that says it; I'm just repeating what the Bible says...

 

Isaiah 8:13-14

13   Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14   And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

 

Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

 

Romans 9:31-33

31   But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32   Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33   As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

Come on folks, think for yourselves about it and put away the simplistic fairy tales. Salvation as we know it since Pentecost didn't even exist in the OT. Those saints had to stay faithful until death. NOT necessarily workful, but FAITHful.

 

That IS work-based.

 

Oh and yes, during the tribulation, it will be the same way. There will be no Spirit regeneration, no born again, no saved (as we know it). Those saints will once again have to keep themselves until the day of redemption at death but they too will have the helps of real signs, real visions, real miracles. Not the emotional charismatic BUNK we claim as signs and miracles during our time.

 

That's works-based too. 

 

I know allot to think about when you are used to the whole "it has always been believing in Jesus" nonsense nowhere in the context in God's Word. A few misinterpreted verses taken out of context and shouted over and over and over again by lazy preachers who don't want to really look into it doesn't make true Bible doctrine and history.

 

I humbly suggest that you go back and read all of my entries in this thread. All that I have consistently said is...

  1. that they were saved by grace through faith
  2. they believed God, and it was accounted unto them for righteousness

The closest that I came to what you are saying that I'm advocating is...

 

 

Those Old Testament saints who believed God were only taken to heaven after Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; therefore, their righteousness (and salvation) is directly tied to the gospel.

 

...and I stand by that statement.

 

 

Ok brother, I do understand your stand on this. I bought it too for 25 years because it really doesn't matter to us now as long as we have been convicted by the Spirit when hearing the Gospel and believed.

 

It is the easy way and the lazy way to explain when questions come and I will admit not worth looking into much when sharing the Gospel. You folks win.




#384595 Dispensations

Posted by wretched on 29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM

Or...it could make those who understand that the Bible is clear (even in the Old Testament) that works have never, do never, and will never have absolutely anything whatsoever, in any shape, form, or fashion...to do with salvation...it could make those who understand this, see that the Bible is clear that righteousness comes only by grace through faith. The New Testament even tells us this in Hebrews 11. How those who propose a work's-based salvation in the OT (and the future) can miss this is beyond me. By faith...by faith...by faith!

 

The Old Testament saints weren't regenerated by the Holy Spirit as far as the biblical record shows; however, they believed what God said, and it was accounted unto them for righteousness. Today, we believe what God said (the record of his Son), and it's accounted unto us for righteousness. Those Old Testament saints who believed God were only taken to heaven after Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; therefore, their righteousness (and salvation) is directly tied to the gospel.

 

And I'm sorry to disagree with you, but the visions, signs, and wonders didn't make people believe...or keep them believing...

 

Numbers 14:11
And the LORD said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them?

 

Deuteronomy 1:31-32
31   And in the wilderness, where thou hast seen how that the LORD thy God bare thee, as a man doth bear his son, in all the way that ye went, until ye came into this place.
32   Yet in this thing ye did not believe the LORD your God,

 

Mr. Blue said that the main subject of the Old Testament was about a coming kingdom. No, the Old Testament is about Jesus through and through.

 

Sadly, those who hold to hyper-dispensationalism stumble at the same stumblingstone as Israel...they sadly can't see the simplicity of salvation by grace through faith in the Old Testament, because they can't systematically connect the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ to the Old Testament...so they try to make works become an element of salvation. The promised redeemer is there...throughout the Old Testament...but people stumble over it.

 

Remember NN, I came into this argument late. Nowhere have I (nor anyone else in this thread) stated that keeping the law was necessary nor that works were necessary.

 

However it is Scriptural true that prior to the pouring out of the Spirit, any and all true faith was demonstrated by works as opposed to our time in which the Spirit's regeneration is the demonstration of faith in the Gospel.

 

The issue also isn't your last statement about stumbling, the issue is that noone in the OT had any idea what you are talking about or the OT would clearly state that somewhere. You are reading hindsight and thinking the idea could be commonly known when it was in fact completely unknown (a mystery). No stumbling, just unknown. Believing God when He showed Himself to man was the only thing known at the time.

 

Come on folks, think for yourselves about it and put away the simplistic fairy tales. Salvation as we know it since Pentecost didn't even exist in the OT. Those saints had to stay faithful until death. NOT necessarily workful, but FAITHful.

 

Oh and yes, during the tribulation, it will be the same way. There will be no Spirit regeneration, no born again, no saved (as we know it). Those saints will once again have to keep themselves until the day of redemption at death but they too will have the helps of real signs, real visions, real miracles. Not the emotional charismatic BUNK we claim as signs and miracles during our time.

 

I know allot to think about when you are used to the whole "it has always been believing in Jesus" nonsense nowhere in the context in God's Word. A few misinterpreted verses taken out of context and shouted over and over and over again by lazy preachers who don't want to really look into it doesn't make true Bible doctrine and history.




#384340 Dispensations

Posted by wretched on 27 August 2014 - 09:48 PM

I know man, right.

 

What is wrong with those people to believe the Bible on this.

 

After all Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sara, Issac, Jacob all had the OT to study about Jesus' death, burial and Resurrection or did they? No they didn't.

 

What I mean is Moses, Sampson, Rahab and the prophets all had the NT to study of Jesus or did they? No, they didn't.

 

In fact, they had only God who revealed Himself to them personally through many signs, visions, dreams and miracles and they believed God and kept believing God and it was counted to them as righteousness. Make no mistake though folks, it was only the signs, visions, wonders and miracles that kept them believing. There was no indwelling Spirit.

 

It is after all clearly presented in the OT how each of the above were regenerated by the Holy Spirit and sealed until their day of redemption. Look for yourselves, in the OT books of...books of...wait a minute, it ain't in there anywhere. The NT clearly describes that they looked "forward" in hindsight as written chronologically. Those who looked forward to God's promises at the time had no idea of the details, they just believed God when God told them He would provide redemption for all mankind.

 

This overly simplistic view of the Bible is good to keep the lazy, "don't overload me with God's Word" Christians happy and coming I guess. The last thing we want to ever do is make the average Christian think about their faith.

 

This ignorant declaration that folks in the OT were ever born again only feeds the enemies of God.




#383795 Dispensations

Posted by wretched on 25 August 2014 - 08:16 PM

Ken Blue was the pastor who baptized me.  Way back in the day.  :icon_smile:  

 

Never heard of Pastor Blue but ain't that something. The born again world is a whole lot smaller than we think, isn't it




#377800 My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...

Posted by wretched on 23 June 2014 - 11:18 AM

It would have made allot more sense TGL if you are experimenting with you kids to have put them in public school till 5th or 6th grade and then Christian or Home.

 

What you are doing here is relying on their childhood professions of faith as solid. Rarely are they at these years, young kids believe what the parents believe and do what they think will please their parents. Once they hit 12 or 13, they form their own opinions which will not be yours. In this case they will form the worlds opinions. They will be immersed in the world now. 8 hours a day and you nor your church will be able to compete with that.

 

Since you are gambling with the world, all I can say is "good luck"




#377513 My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...

Posted by wretched on 20 June 2014 - 02:27 PM

this statement makes no sense, If I didnt want to follow Christ, i would intentionally avoid this place, I live for him and I am here, so how do you explain that?

 BTW, and who is avoiding what?? do you ask yourself this question?? who is the one avoiding issues?? 

 

Here is the point you miss on purpose again Jeff:

 

You come from an environment that has distorted the image of Jesus as a hippy, "mojo risen" liberal with an niv in one hand and a heiniken in the other. That is not the Jesus of God's Word and you absolutely know it in your heart. That is why you come to a forum like this that does worship the True Jesus of the Bible. You fight when you get here because your flesh doesn't want to lose to the Spirit. You keep coming back though and I doubt that you come back just to fight.




#377428 My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...

Posted by wretched on 19 June 2014 - 09:01 PM

Funny you say that, I am even more convinced by visiting this site at times, that I did the best thing for my family by moving them out of the IFB church. At some responses I get, some people come across as the the Pharisees did in John 5:39, more focused on the laws which Christ has fulfilled, and not focused on Christ Himself, you know, I spoke about that in the do right post. I'm focused in Christ, sharing the Gospel, loving my neighbors, trying to teach my children the same, not hide from the world and judge it, God will do that!

 

I think you pretend to mistake strong meat with legalism to make yourself feel better about your worldly attitude and living. You don't fool me though brother. You may be the only persistent baby christian I have seen on this site.

Persistent babies are those who are convicted of giving into the flesh continuously but in their hearts know better. You come here to learn and you yearn to grow but your flesh keeps talking yourself out of it when you come here so you fight.

I don't want to fight with you because I can tell you do want to follow to Christ truly or you would avoid this site like the plague. This site has its issues but you will certainly grow more here than any contemporary rock and roll church.




#377371 My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...

Posted by wretched on 19 June 2014 - 01:18 PM

Where would you find this in Scripture and can you back this statement up? To me, this seems to be your opinion that you have turned into a command.Do you believe God is sovereign? I wasn't homeschooled, were you? How many here were?

 

This is way past your level of "Christian" thinking Jeffrey. You won't get it with the Spiritual life, learning and environments you are in. The basic understanding of the Epistles with eyes to see would make your outlook on most of the subjects presented in this forum totally different than they are.

 

Not to be uncharitably in any way Jeff, but your mindset is of the world and not of Christ and until you remove yourself from a watereddown lukewarm church and circle of friends, you will never want to "get" any of this.




#377186 My Teen Daughter Is Going To Public School Now...

Posted by wretched on 18 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

Time and effort on the part of parents is treasure just as well as money.

Where your treasure is, so is your heart.

 

I am not sure whether TGL started this thread to pick a fight or to seek justification.

 

I am no good parent myself and have had my kids in homeschool, Christian and public. When in public it was always because of the treasures mentioned above.

 

No need to air your dirty laundry and expect justification from your peers brother. Putting a believer's kids in public school is sin plain and simple. Keep it to yourself or be honest about it and no one will judge.

 

You are spitting in the air with this thread and trying your hardest to convince us it is raining.




#376921 Nick Adams On Guns

Posted by wretched on 16 June 2014 - 11:34 AM

Hey, the US is still the greatest obamanation on the planet though. Six straight years and running.




#376920 Dorightchristians - King James Onlyism Before Peter Ruckman

Posted by wretched on 16 June 2014 - 11:28 AM

The Holy Spirit is the saving agent that uses the Scriptures, but without the Holy Spirit, it's all for naught.

 

Agreed




#376654 Dorightchristians - King James Onlyism Before Peter Ruckman

Posted by wretched on 13 June 2014 - 12:40 PM

It appears that some folks on this forum still miss the point of the KJB "correcting" the originals.

 

It doubt anyone (I could be wrong because I don't read anything these folks write anyway) actually believes the 1611 KJB is more accurate than the directly inspired originals provided by God to Moses, the Prophets, the Apostles, etc.

 

The missed points are twofold: #1 Noone living has ever seen nor read an "original" text in hebrew or greek. These are copies of copies or rewrites times a multitude from the actual "originals".

 

#2. Noone who thinks they understand the greek to read these copies of copies has any true clue to what the ancient greek meanings actually were. They only have loose guesses of modern greek translations they attempt to apply.

 

It still amazes me to see men quote the "greek copy of copies" with their modern quessicon translations with authority, as if they know they are right- it is sadly laughable to me.

 

The real point is this folks. Do you have God's complete Word in the KJB or not. This is simply a matter of faith.  And without faith it is impossible to please Him. And without His Word we would have never heard of Him. So your faith better FIRST be in His Word or you have have no faith.

 

think about it.




#373990 The Commandments Of Jesus Christ

Posted by wretched on 24 May 2014 - 02:52 PM

This sounds like that yes or no fella that was on here a while back.




#372278 From Darkness Into Light - My Personal Testimony

Posted by wretched on 08 May 2014 - 09:10 PM

You can write very well! Writing could be in your future if it already isn't. Good memory! You're right we remember moments specifically with great clarity when from a traumatic situation.

It's your story, write it as you want. There's always more people on here to tell you what's wrong and how to change it than getting a "good job"!

 

Why Miss DAISY I do declare. Good points. Probably shouldn't have read it as a tract.






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