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#328542 Politically Incorrect Topic In My Wife's Free Book

Posted by wretched on 13 May 2013 - 11:52 AM

To say a woman should not work outside of the home is ludicrous.  That is a very personal decision to be made by each family.  Each family must do what is best.  Let's consider the "ideal" wife from Proverbs 31, who was a merchant, trader, investor, and worked hard to provide for her family, as well as raising children:

 

From Proverbs 31:

 

She buys farm land, farms, and makes profits.  She uses what she grows to produce merchandise to sell in the marketplace:

 

 

16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

 

and

 

24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

 

In the New Testament, there are examples of woman with a household working:  

 

Consider Acts 16:

 

 

13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us.

 

Lydia produced and sold purple fabric.  She worked and made money to help support her household.

 

Consider Acts 18, where Paul meets with Aquila and Pricella who were both tentmakers by trade:

 

 

After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;

And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome:) and came unto them.

And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.

 

Genesis 29:9.  Rachel was a shepherd.

 

And they said, We cannot, until all the flocks be gathered together, and till they roll the stone from the well's mouth; then we water the sheep.

And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father's sheep; for she kept them.

 

I can go on and on, but there are MANY examples in the Bible where women worked to help earn income for the family.  NOWHERE in the Bible is this criticized.  Women in the Bible worked in agriculture, as shepherds, as tailors, manufacturers of linen and cloths, made and sold perfume, were nurses, cooks, managers of households, tent-makers, artisans, etc.  

 

Families work together as units.  The Bible teaches that men and women should not be idle, but be hard workers, in whatever role they are in.  

 

 

I realize all of these were mentioned.  But the author states that nowhere in the Bible does it say these women worked outside of the home.  However, nowhere in the Bible does it say that they worked only in the home either, that is a simple inference on the part of the author.  The functioned and worked within society they way society was structured.  That is what we can see in this.  

 

Now, I am not saying a woman should not stay home either. My wife stays home for now, and plans to go to work when our children are school aged.  I am saying each family should do what is best for their family.  No one should feel guilty for working hard to provide for their family and doing what is necessary to feed, cloth and shelter their family and raise children.

 

Almost convincing except that every example you provide is of women working "from the home" and not leaving children to others to raise or to putting themselves under the subjection of men OTHER than their husbands.

 

This is the point you are missing but hey do what you want. Sin is a personal thing alright, you did get that part correct. We are all expert at justifying the convenience of living in the flesh. No judgement here brothers, my name ain't wretched for nothing.




#328167 More Ohio Pastors Allow Armed Church Security

Posted by wretched on 09 May 2013 - 11:32 AM

could you back up

 

 

You said (in part)

 

 

".....you sound like the real rough-and-tumble type of fella but Christ and the apostles teach us to love those that hate us."

 

I agree we are to love those who hate us, but that love is not to come at a price. The love referred to in Scripture has all too often, been laced with emotion and feeling. Love is our concern for their souls, but that love is not to be an open door for those who hate us to come in and harm us. God gave us life, and we have a moral obligation to defend that life. So many Christians today, especially here in America where we have laws that protect us, tend to focus only on those quotes by Jesus that often refer to love, compassion, understanding and forgiveness, while excluding all other Scripture that doesn't fit their definition of what or whom Jesus is.

 

It is also because modern Christians misconstrued Jesus as having nullified the Old Testament and the NT is what everyone is expected to conform to. All Scripture works together, OT and NT alike. No Scripture stands out alone. Our backgrounds, our upbringing, our education (public or private school) and our life experiences often color how we view Jesus and the the entire Word of God.

 

Our image of Jesus is that of an effeminate-looking Savior. Every portrait I see of Him in just about any church, always has Him appearing like He wearing blush and mascara, wearing a flowing gown of pure white that looks more like a prom dress, and in one instance where I saw a painting of Him rescuing Peter in the tempest of the storm looks more like He's dancing the samba with Peter. Paul Coughlin addressed this very same problem in his book, "No More Christian Nice Guy".

 

This misplaced perception of Jesus is why so many Christians think that all Christianity is supposed to be all about peace, love and understanding. It's an American cultural thing and not Scriptual.

 

_________________________________________________________________________________

"Everybody wants to be the tough guy, but no one wants to pay the price."

 

-Actor (and real life Reserve Sheriff's Deputy) Steven Seagal

 

 

 

Well, I have been poking around this forum for a few months now and have yet to find someone that portrays a view of Christ as you describe here. I doubt if anyone thinks of Jesus as weak or effeminate here. Quite the opposite but the example He describes in detail throughout the NT of how we are to follow Him does not include violence to those that wrong us as individuals. HATE THE SIN BUT LOVE THE SINNER is the gist of Christ's teaching and that of the apostles.

 

NOW, I am not saying just let yourself and your family get all shot up for NOTHING YOU DID WRONG and what not. I am just saying DON'T look for conflict, try to reconcile with others that do you wrong. If you deserve to get shot for some wrong you did to someone, then take that lead like a man and don't fight back, use that dying last breath to ask them for forgiveness and you will be call blessed in Heaven.

 

If you or yours happen to fall into a bad luck situation and are in danger, lay down some cover fire and high tail it outta there. BUT DON'T go trying to shoot people on purpose man-come on

 

Since the author is just another dude like me, I will disagree with him. However, if you are going to jerk that pistol you carry on me - YOU WIN and I will shut up :)




#328070 More Ohio Pastors Allow Armed Church Security

Posted by wretched on 08 May 2013 - 03:17 PM

I can show love to them too but will will not allow them to kill or torture my wife and children.  Would you?  

 

If one of them Castro brothers grabbed your daughter while she was checking the mail would you do nothing but pray?   

 

You talking to me? YOU TALKING TO ME?

 

just kidding brother, I did address that kind of thing a little ways up, staving off, running off, wounding if necessary - absolutely as a last resort when I can't wisk my family out of harm's way.

 

BUT not something I want to think about, talk about, propagate, declare or any of it. It is a carnal mindset IMO and not spiritual. I got enough trouble with the devil, I am not going to invite anymore in.

 

Let's face it, you have to do what you have to do in an active shooter or victim situation when your wife and kids are at risk. I just don't get it that brothers have to talk about it? It not a Spiritual conversation or subject by any stretch of the imagination.




#328049 More Ohio Pastors Allow Armed Church Security

Posted by wretched on 08 May 2013 - 12:15 PM

I am referring to me committing personal sin against my neighbor friend, not soldiers doing their duty or governments forming. I was a soldier for 22 years active, I understand doing my duty for country. That is not at all what I am shown to be as an individual Christian living for God. Anger, jealousy, revenge (ie, evil for evil) is not in the NT.

 

Don't get me wrong friend, I understand where you are coming from, you sound like the real rough-and-tumble type of fella but Christ and the apostles teach us to love those that hate us.




#328044 More Ohio Pastors Allow Armed Church Security

Posted by wretched on 08 May 2013 - 11:44 AM

Might I recommend the following:

 

(1); "Why Men Hate Going To Church" by David Murrow

 

(2): "No More Christian Nice Guy: When Being Nice -Instead of Good- Hurts Men, Women and Children".

by Paul Coughlin.

 

(3): "The Church Impotent: The Feminization of Christianity". by Dr. Leon J. Podles

 

 

I especially  like Brother Paul's book because he points out the differences between Christian "Nice" Guys, as opposed to Christian Good Guys. A "Nice" guy believes that passivity is synonymous with godliness. A Good Guy on the other hand, knows when to be polite and respectful, especially toward church and secular authority, but they also know when to crack skulls and take names!

 

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

"Everybody wants to be the tough guy, but no one wants to pay the price."

 

-Actor (and real life Reserve Sheriff's Deputy) Steven Seagal

 

 

This all sounds great, my flesh can do all this so easy. Being blunt with you my brother, we need ZERO instruction on how to render evil for evil. We are born that way and can't help it.

It is the Spirit in born again believers that convicts them of these urges along with lust and idolatry and every other sin that sifts me like wheat (did I say me, uhhh, I meant us)

 

Don't get me started on the whole guns/God/guts nonsense again. We have been down those roads long and deep on this forum.

 

The type of Christianity you are advocating is the most popular and worldly version and not found in the NT anywhere. That way is the easy way for a reason, it is of the flesh, we need no restraint or conviction of the Spirit to practice it.




#328019 Prophet Of Jesus Christ

Posted by wretched on 08 May 2013 - 08:29 AM

My retriever sense is tingling




#327746 Prophet Of Jesus Christ

Posted by wretched on 07 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

I don't see much of either of those two lately gents. I often ask myself "how come they don't write".




#327712 Prophet Of Jesus Christ

Posted by wretched on 07 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

I want to introduce myself. I am a prophet of Jesus Christ. As the Lord be willing I shall be posting that which I am instructed to post. I shall only answer questions the Lord instructs me to answer. I do not require you to read or believe anything I post. I do require that you do not say anything disrespectful to me. If you do say anything disrespectful to me. I shall bring it to my Lord's attention even though He will already know of it beforehand. In other words, I will see to it that it does not go unattended. I shall not disrespect anyone. I shall abide by all of your rules. I will not break a 1. For the Lord is going to judge all this, when it is finished. The Lord is God.

 

Prophet huh? That's nothing...I'm a talking dog




#327440 Did You All Know You Are "semi-Ruckmanites"?

Posted by wretched on 05 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

Good point made and I will add a little.

 

I like Ruckman and Hyles and Bob Jones Sr and Bob Gray and a host of other fundamental Bible preachers. That doesn't make me a follower of any. I like allot of the posts that various brothers make on here also and I click on it that I like it. That don't make me a follower of any of them.

 

What is discouraging is seeing brothers and sisters speak badly of fellow brothers and sisters that have performed many great works for Christ and have stood for fundamental Bible teachings for many years.

You don't have to like it all or agree with it all but still they are fundamental preachers of the Gospel whose ministries have been blessed and it showed and still shows.

 

Now the sin parts of some of these men's past we ought not to talk about or judge in any way unless of course, you folks that do are without sin? Then, by all means, knock yourself out. Doing so is just gossip (don't make excuse for it, if you don't have first hand knowledge IT IS gossip, period).

 

Remember these men that are spoken badly of are not false teachers, catholic priest, muslim nutjobs or jw cultist, etc. they are fundamental Christian brethren.

 

Now a question: Who here can reply to this post that they have never once attempted to translate a KJV word or verse in the "original greek" to help explain it? Let's say in the last 30 years? That alone will prove whether you were KJO before it became popular among fundamental baptists.

 

If you can't honestly say you never one time ever referred to the "original greek or hebrew" to explain anything. Then and only then can you claim you were KJO before it was popular like Ruckman.




#327427 Witnessing To A Catholic

Posted by wretched on 05 May 2013 - 08:19 AM

Its the same dude no doubt




#327127 Did You All Know You Are "semi-Ruckmanites"?

Posted by wretched on 02 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

I suppose you can have it your way again Jerry. There, you feel better now :boxing:




#327024 Did You All Know You Are "semi-Ruckmanites"?

Posted by wretched on 01 May 2013 - 09:06 PM

I can say this about Peter Ruckman. He stood for the Bible long before any other "known" IFB did and was persecuted for it by the world and his own preacher brethren for years and years.

What do you know..he was right all along but since stigmatized by most, none of the "known" IFBs will admit it.

Bad attitude - sure. I don't always agree with the way his preaches but still excellent messages. Then again many times I do agree with how he preaches. Know it all & authoritative is better than mambie-pambie-gutless any day,

Some on here state heresy referencing inspiration of the KJV translators. NONSENSE, why would that be so hard to fathom? God said His Word is perfectly preserved.

 

I can tolerate bad attitude when you are right most of the time. Its the know-it-alls I see that are mostly wrong that really annoy me.




#326941 Chris Broussard Speaks Out Against Homosexuality

Posted by wretched on 01 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

Don't know any of these folks either.

 

I do know this: this gent just took a REAL stand. The kind of stand I reckon most of us big talkers don't know much about.

 

I doubt him a fool or riding his first rodeo so he had to know his broadcast career would be over before he said all this.  How many of us would take a stand like this where you work KNOWING it would be your end there? And I don't mean the little pathetic witnessing here and there in private when the brass ain't looking, I am comparing this to your boss daring you to say something like this and your are fired and you do it anyway. You know, the real suffering for Christ we keep reading about.

 

I don't know the man's doctrine or if he even gave the Gospel during his rant but I am guessing he ain't no ecumenical. Thanks for sharing this BTW, it was refreshing.




#326277 Catholic Persecution of Christians

Posted by wretched on 22 April 2013 - 08:39 PM

I believe it is you that is fooled into thinking Catholic's are unsaved and are the greater enemy!

James (KaoticProphet)

Please answer this one question I have for you:

If you died this very instant or in 3 hours, or 6 days, or 8 months or 3 years from this instant, are you 100% sure that you would be in Heaven?




#326200 Witnessing To A Catholic

Posted by wretched on 22 April 2013 - 09:29 AM

In all kindness I want to say this to Kaoticprofit. I haven't been on this forum long but I think long enough to know that any advocating of blending with mainstream religion in an ecumenical way; any acceptance or tolerance of false Gospels to win the lost through "lifestyle evangelism" won't be supported by and large here (if at all).

I personally think it is sinful or worse-false teaching (not to mention the lazy, easy way out) of our responsibility to preach the true Gospel to the lost.

REMEMBER: love the sinner but HATE the sin






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