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#368925 So How Does A Person Get Saved?

Posted by wretched on 07 April 2014 - 03:29 PM

No, on that day I made repentance toward God and put my faith in Jesus Christ.

 

There is more, some time earlier my wife had given to me the book, The Case for Christ, I read it to disprove once and for all God and the bible.  I didn't win and thank heavens for that!

 

My only memory of someone witnessing to me (the exact conversation is lost, don't even know if it was biblical) was at the BEQ lounge at Glenview Naval Air Station in the summer of 1986.  That night a former sailor and wanderer told me he traveled the country going wherever the Lord needed him to go.  He talked to me about the Lord but I soon changed the topic.  I was the chief mocker of all things God in my family, though while in uniform I faked it.  Used to make sport out of running those anti-abortion people off the sidewalks with my muscle car; it's a miracle that God chose to forgive all that I had done against him and still keeps my name in the book despite all the wrongs I continue to do.  Were there others?  I cannot remember, there were certainly some I never gave a second's worth of my time to try though.  

 

Just as the savage in the jungle is responsible to God, my salvation was similar.

 

Ah, got it bro, thanks. KInd reply too.




#368721 So How Does A Person Get Saved?

Posted by wretched on 05 April 2014 - 10:28 PM

Consider this and I will leave it alone:

 

Jesus said we must have the faith of a child, Jesus said forbid not the children for of such is the Kingdom. I don't believe it is possible for a child to be born again so soon after water birth. I think they are safe not having their own opinions yet. It is when they turn from their parents and influence-rs opinions in their early teens and form their own that it is possible for them to repent.

 

I think we should absolutely sow the seeds and keep them in church of course. But I don't think we should push them to be "saved" when they have no true conviction of what they are doing. And as they grow continue to convince them they got saved when they were 5 or 8 or 10 or whatever when they reach their teens and are having doubts and then when they reach their 20s, etc.

 

Sow the seeds, when they are old they will not depart from it (not forget the seeds as they are watered). They will truly repent then. I don't have time to thoroughly explain my idea but there it is in a nutshell.

 

I know it is not what you hear in sunday school but it is a concern of mine.

 

Real quick, run an experiment in children's church when a child is confronted to be saved. Offer candy at the point of prayer instead and see what they decide.

 

You could have offered me a million dollars instead at the point where I got saved and I would have lit your money on fire. Think about it.




#368707 So How Does A Person Get Saved?

Posted by wretched on 05 April 2014 - 08:52 PM

Wretched,

 

You have piqued my curiosity. Is there a "common tare" in IFB churches, or was your statement more general in nature?

 

I think the common tare are the 2nd generation members. Those who were converted as children, growing up in the church and never actually repented since their only knowledge of the Lord was from their parents.

I fear for these kids and cringe when I see parents encouraging their children to pray a prayer to be saved.

They look, act, talk just like the born again but never actually were. Just a theory




#368683 So How Does A Person Get Saved?

Posted by wretched on 05 April 2014 - 04:07 PM

If he cannot recall a single point in time where he was hearing or reading the Gospel (death, burial and resurrection of Jesus) preached, felt an undeniable conviction of sin, God's righteousness and judgment to come and at this point changed his entire outlook on God calling out to God to save him, then No, he is not born again. He is just one of many tares within IFB churches.

 

His story however is less common than what I think is the most common tare in IFB churches though.




#367632 What To Do About Accuracy And The 'tyndale Tradition' Bible Called Th...

Posted by wretched on 29 March 2014 - 01:13 PM

Sir,

I like the Geneva Bible personally but do not believe it is the complete Word. It no doubt contains most of it but is not the perfect and complete Revelation.

It has not stood the test of time nor the attacks of satan. In addition, satan pays no attention to it simply because no one knows it exists.

But if you like it that is your business.




#367504 New Wine

Posted by wretched on 28 March 2014 - 01:04 PM

ITS A MIRACLE:

 

This dead horse has somehow been resurrected AGAIN

 

I suppose since it is up again I will be the odd man out.

 

IMO drinking alcohol is never ok by the Spirit indwelling us because the Word is clearly against it and should never be justified as such.

 

IMO wine always means wine in Scripture. I refuse to change the Word to meet an idea-ever. New wine is referenced as sin and with drunkedness almost as much as old wine throughout the Bible. I think ASOD had the logical and seemingly well researched answer that new wine, because it was not fermented as much had less alcohol content. I admit that I have done no research but do think that is the most reasonable, logical and Scriptural explanation I have heard on it.

 

Anyway, I really am also opposed to referencing guessicons to explain anything from the NT. Not because I am anti-learning or ignorant but because I know they are guessing and I spent probably more years than most doing the same thing realizing it causes more confusion than it clears up.

 

I am not sure if it was the Spirit convicting me or perhaps my personality hates not having an answer for those that ask about the hope in me. Even perpherial issues like wine, etc. I got sick of saying "wellll, you know, the greek defines it as this or that" OR "wellll, we know that Jesus would have no part of this or that, therefore, it can't mean this or that".

 

Yaw do what you want but I got sick of giving extra Biblical sounding answers long ago and won't be going back to that. If the KJB says it then that is what it means. I decided a long time ago to study how to divide the Word, rather than attempt to correct it. (of course this last statement has nothing to do with wine but my fingers were on a roll)

 

On a side note, that NN fella is a strong christian and edifying to others. Even when he is slamming my ideas, he is kind about it :)




#367203 Family Salvation

Posted by wretched on 26 March 2014 - 11:32 AM

Although I would absolutely, positively love to believe hinton's theory on this passage. The contextual situation of Acts 16 seems apparent to me that Paul explains the Gospel first to the man with the caveat "the same goes for your house" if they also believe. In the subsequent verses Paul and Silas go and preach to the man's "house".

 

I wish there were a nepatistic program clause in the Gospel, but I am afraid we are all on our own.




#366653 Lets Talk About Pastors Children's

Posted by wretched on 22 March 2014 - 10:13 PM

Ruling his house well and keeping his children in subjection...hmm?

 

Does this mean make his children get saved? Make them grow in the Lord? Make them live for the Lord?

 

Nobody can make anyone do any of those things. I think the problem is with the churches and pastors who actually think the verse means the above.

 

Subjection is keeping children orderly and obedient to their earthly commands. Certainly means nothing spiritual.

 

Are these kids causing disruptions in services? Are they beating kids in church? are they selling drugs to other church kids?

 

100 years ago early teens weren't considered kids. You remember with your own kids, the point where they were forming their owns opinions and not following your beliefs and ideas about God and life and everything else. That is when parents threw them out to start their own lives since they now know better than them.

Perhaps the Lord actually meant children, you know, before the "change" in their early teens. It is US law that says they are children till 18 for some things and 21 for others, not necessarily God's intent.

Something to think about.




#366343 Can God Use A Man That Drinks Wine?

Posted by wretched on 20 March 2014 - 03:35 PM

Excellent explanations Madame HC:

 

May I add that those regenerated by the Spirt: IE born again are sealed by the Spirit: IE indwelt by the Spirit.

 

They cannot change their minds about Jesus and the Gospel. It is actually impossible for them to turn to false gods, idols, etc (even humanism). Oh, all will have doubts and wonderings from time to time but would absolutely never ever IMAGINE worshipping a false god again (even humanism, IE worldly lusts) Now, they may fall into sin but they never feel right about it and always know in their hearts it is wrong and procrastinate to the day they will once again get right with the Lord.

 

If they do "break this relationship" and turn to other gods (even the humanism of the world that says there is no god), they were never regenerated...you see, its Bible science :)




#366116 Can God Use A Man That Drinks Wine?

Posted by wretched on 18 March 2014 - 07:55 PM

This horse is cremated




#363896 Cloud Or Chappell

Posted by wretched on 01 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

Where are all these camps yaw keep talking bout? I like camping




#362974 I Am The Lord Your God!

Posted by wretched on 23 February 2014 - 10:49 PM

It is our commission to tell the lost that they are one their way to hell. What is the gospel but that which speaks of the conviction of sin? The ways of sin IS death...a present condition. The lost are lost in their sin and thus dead to Christ. Telling a lost person that their sins are taking them to hell is not condemning or convicting but loving them with authority as Christ loved with all authority. So many Christians want to walk a weak and meek unoffensive way and not stand up for the word of GOD.

Is it "getting enraged" or showing the true love that GOD commands us to show...tell them the truth, show them the truth of the gospel and reason with them without compromise.

 

Only Jesus Himself is worthy of verbal condemnation of sinners and He never did it to typically lost people. To the false religious leaders, yes but to them only. He had compassion for the lost man or woman on the street no matter what kind of sin they were neck deep in.

You and me are fifthy, rotten blood bags just like the hollywood people you condemn. I realize it, the question is do you realize it? Your tone in these posts seems to imply that you are somehow worthy of your salvation. You understand the state of man only because of the renewing of the Holy Spirit. You knew jack squat about it before then so why would you expect anything more from the lost?

 

The kind of spiritual pride you display here is sure to lead to a big fall into sin for you sooner or later. I have seen it many a time and unfortunately it is the only way to come back with some sense.




#362926 Mrs. Francie Taylor

Posted by wretched on 23 February 2014 - 09:39 AM

I have yet heard her speak but the Sword asks her to teach at many of their big gatherings so she must be outstanding.




#362917 The Sons Of God And The Days Of Noah.

Posted by wretched on 22 February 2014 - 10:58 PM

This is definitely the oddest thread I have witnessed yet.

 

Angels having sex? huh

Spirits having sex? huh x 2

What the Bible "should" say? I would be hiding under my desk if I were you

UFOs? Wow, I suppose bigfoot and nessie are driving them

 

Get a grip people




#362898 I Am The Lord Your God!

Posted by wretched on 22 February 2014 - 07:45 PM

I appreciate Daniels enthusiasm no doubt but getting enraged at the lost for being lost makes absolutely no sense and does zero service for the Lord and His Gospel.

Nobody on this forum or anywhere else is any better than these sinners you name. We must spread the Gospel with fear and trembling out of gratitude that we were rescued.






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